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2009-12-31 Expert: Alexander Dinerchtein Rate: (4.4)  17 ratings

Korean Insei League on KGS - Join now! (updated on Dec31)

Korean-style Insei League on KGS.


They have almost the same system in largest Korean schools: Heo Jahghei, 9p academy, Kwon Kapmyun’s academy, Yangchun Dail, Lee Sedol’s school and others

There are 5 groups: A, B, C, D and E. A is the strongest one

Students of 10-kyu and stronger are allowed taking part


Each group consists of 10 students, who play with each other (maximum 4 games per month with the same opponent) and 2 teachers (teachers don’t meet with each other). There is no pairing – students can meet each other any time and put the results in online table, which counts the winning % and current places automatically.

 Teachers usually play their games simultaneously on 4-5 boards.  They play even games with A group members, 2-stones games with B group, 3-stones games with C group, 4 stones games with D group and 5 stones with E group


There are 2 teachers, both studied Go in Korea for a very long time:

1. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p (breakfast on KGS) – the owner of the peaceful playing style – he will teach you how to play well in fuseki and yose.


2. Ilya Shikshin 7d (roln111 on KGS) –with the aggressive playing style – he will make you  stronger at fighting.


You will see that they have completely different styles of playing handicap games.


At the end of the each month best 2 students (with highest winning %) promote to the next group, and 2 students with less impressive results go down.


The entry fee is 95 usd/ month (including 8 simultaneous games, 16 lectures and up to 11 reviews)


All groups have own prize fund, made from entry fees:

A group: 1-place: 200$, 2-place: 100$, 3-place: 50$

B, C, D, E groups: 1-place: 100$, 2-place: 50$


Places are decided by the highest winning percentage. To win the prize you have to play

at least 10 games (from 44 possible games) per month with at least 5 different opponents


Teachers can take cash prizes too, so they are also interested in winning their games in simultaneous. Teachers are not allowed to take prizes, if they play less than 60% of all games. Also teachers have big bonuses, if they play 80, 90 and 100% of all games - you can be sure, that each teacher will try to play as many games as possible (to get these bonuses)


Time control:

30 min + 30 sec byoyomi- 5 times for insei vs insei games

30 min + 60 sec byoyomi -5 times for for simultaneous


At the end of the each year the student, who showed best results (who won A-league most times) will get a 1000$ grant, which can be used for private lessons, offline study trips to Korea, Japan or China, Go books or Go equipment. Teachers are not allowed to get this grant.


 25% of your games will be reviewed offline by Alexander Dinerchtein. More games you play – more reviews you get! You will get these reviews once a week by e-mail.



We plan to start the league from Jan, 1 – 2010

4 professional players (Chun Pongjho 8p, An Younggil 8p, Lee Hajin 3p and Cho Mikyung 1p) joined the project as lectors. They will review your games online in audio format. We will have 16 lectures in total every month. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p will give some lectures too, including 4 lectures in Russian

Last week-end of the month is for Blitz games.
If you was very busy during the month, you can play lot of blitz games at the end and get your reviews.
Main time control for last Saturday and Sunday of every month is 3 times shorter than usual:
10 min, 30 sec byoyomi - 5 times for insei vs insei games
10 min, 60 sec byoyomi - 5 times for simultaneous

 For registration please e-mail us ( these details:




4.Rank (you must be 10-kyu or stronger!)

5.Goal in Go

6.Preferred method of payment (Paypal, Moneybookers,Webmoney, WesternUnion etc)


 December 12: We already accepted 50 players. We don't plan to add more groups, so others will be in the waiting line.

Our waiting line is unusual.  If you pay early, but there are no empty places available, you are allowed to observe all audio lectures free of charge till you join us in February or March, when we get vacant places.

If we decide to stop the project, you will get 100% money back.

So, still accepting new members!

December 29:
If you have an account on DGS and prefer slow games,
you can get your teaching games here, instead of KGS. You can play all 8 games (or just few)
with both teachers at the same time for an extra fee $2 per game.
Time control must be set as 30 days absolute (no byoyomi, with clocks
running on week-ends).
It means about 3-4 moves per game every day.
Such games will be count as standard simultaneous games on KGS and
must be played on the standard handicap for your division.
On DGS you can also meet the members of your group - we accept
the results of such games. As you may know we also accept offline games -
you can play even in the local club (if you live in the same city)
- but please write and upload the SGF of your game (at least 100 moves)

December 31:
Everything is ready. Our website:



5k ( DE ) 2009-11-17 05:11

"We will also invite one or several professional teachers to read the lectures"

... so there will be some kind of lectures for Insei League as well.

just a differnet focus...

Insei League: focus on your games and reviews for them, but less lectures.

Juan Guo Group Class: focus on lectures, but less reviews for your games.
7k ( RU ) 2009-11-17 02:11
About Guo Juans "Group Class".. I don't see any lectures here =) Students just plays as usual on KGS, have additional system/site/rank (i mean not just play at KGS, but account every single game by a unique way: adding it to a special table etc.) and up to 11 reviews.. + Plus chanse to play vs high dan players. and even win the prize. =) Where is Group Class?.. i don't see. its a different focuses? hmm you're right =)
7k ( RU ) 2009-11-17 02:11
Nevermind ) Anyway if there are 40 students, who dont ask, and just pays 95$ for learning this way, i don't see any problems =)

p.s. And i know some pro-teacher, who takes 95$ for 11 reviews. And he gets really even much less for his own, cause of prize-grant system =)
2009-11-17 02:11
100 dollars is nothing.
5k ( DE ) 2009-11-17 01:11

I am sorry .. but I dont get your hint!

I dont know any pro-teacher how would take only 30$ for 4 games...
7k ( RU ) 2009-11-17 12:11
lets count my way )
44 games/month
25% reviewed (11 games)
95$/month (950-150)/10 (minus monthly prizes)
approx. 7,27$ per review
its really not so expensive in my opinion, but if student had a chance to pay only for reviews - it is possible to play 4 games vs teachers and all other games for free for only 30$/month for example ;) i hope my hint was clear enough..

in this case we have some problem with prizes and grants =)
5k 2009-11-17 11:11
Since so may of you argue about the price, lets compare it with Guo Juans "Group Class".

The Group Classes of Guo Juan costs 120 Euros per term, where a term covers roughly two month and 120? is about double the prize of 90$.

So I would say the price is preety much comparable.

The difference is that the Group Classes focus mainly on lectures and only the stronges two students of each class get the chance of playing a simul game with one of the teachers, where as the Insei League focus on playing. Futher more in the Group Classes only one game a week, will be reviewed from one of the teachers, whereas Alexander Dinerchtein promise to review 25% of all games.

I think this offer is great!

So join... and make it happen ;-)
( RU ) 2009-11-17 11:11
i think the fee is too high, especially for Russia. what a pity...
2009-11-17 11:11
Prizes are not big enough for cheating - I made them only because usually you think more deeply in Go, if you know, that you can get something at the end.
2k ( RU ) 2009-11-17 10:11
"The entry fee is 95 usd/ month"
Pay every month? 95 * 12?
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