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2009-12-31 Expert: Alexander Dinerchtein Rate: (4.4)  17 ratings

Korean Insei League on KGS - Join now! (updated on Dec31)

Korean-style Insei League on KGS.


They have almost the same system in largest Korean schools: Heo Jahghei, 9p academy, Kwon Kapmyun’s academy, Yangchun Dail, Lee Sedol’s school and others

There are 5 groups: A, B, C, D and E. A is the strongest one

Students of 10-kyu and stronger are allowed taking part


Each group consists of 10 students, who play with each other (maximum 4 games per month with the same opponent) and 2 teachers (teachers don’t meet with each other). There is no pairing – students can meet each other any time and put the results in online table, which counts the winning % and current places automatically.

 Teachers usually play their games simultaneously on 4-5 boards.  They play even games with A group members, 2-stones games with B group, 3-stones games with C group, 4 stones games with D group and 5 stones with E group


There are 2 teachers, both studied Go in Korea for a very long time:

1. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p (breakfast on KGS) – the owner of the peaceful playing style – he will teach you how to play well in fuseki and yose.


2. Ilya Shikshin 7d (roln111 on KGS) –with the aggressive playing style – he will make you  stronger at fighting.


You will see that they have completely different styles of playing handicap games.


At the end of the each month best 2 students (with highest winning %) promote to the next group, and 2 students with less impressive results go down.


The entry fee is 95 usd/ month (including 8 simultaneous games, 16 lectures and up to 11 reviews)


All groups have own prize fund, made from entry fees:

A group: 1-place: 200$, 2-place: 100$, 3-place: 50$

B, C, D, E groups: 1-place: 100$, 2-place: 50$


Places are decided by the highest winning percentage. To win the prize you have to play

at least 10 games (from 44 possible games) per month with at least 5 different opponents


Teachers can take cash prizes too, so they are also interested in winning their games in simultaneous. Teachers are not allowed to take prizes, if they play less than 60% of all games. Also teachers have big bonuses, if they play 80, 90 and 100% of all games - you can be sure, that each teacher will try to play as many games as possible (to get these bonuses)


Time control:

30 min + 30 sec byoyomi- 5 times for insei vs insei games

30 min + 60 sec byoyomi -5 times for for simultaneous


At the end of the each year the student, who showed best results (who won A-league most times) will get a 1000$ grant, which can be used for private lessons, offline study trips to Korea, Japan or China, Go books or Go equipment. Teachers are not allowed to get this grant.


 25% of your games will be reviewed offline by Alexander Dinerchtein. More games you play – more reviews you get! You will get these reviews once a week by e-mail.



We plan to start the league from Jan, 1 – 2010

4 professional players (Chun Pongjho 8p, An Younggil 8p, Lee Hajin 3p and Cho Mikyung 1p) joined the project as lectors. They will review your games online in audio format. We will have 16 lectures in total every month. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p will give some lectures too, including 4 lectures in Russian

Last week-end of the month is for Blitz games.
If you was very busy during the month, you can play lot of blitz games at the end and get your reviews.
Main time control for last Saturday and Sunday of every month is 3 times shorter than usual:
10 min, 30 sec byoyomi - 5 times for insei vs insei games
10 min, 60 sec byoyomi - 5 times for simultaneous

 For registration please e-mail us ( these details:




4.Rank (you must be 10-kyu or stronger!)

5.Goal in Go

6.Preferred method of payment (Paypal, Moneybookers,Webmoney, WesternUnion etc)


 December 12: We already accepted 50 players. We don't plan to add more groups, so others will be in the waiting line.

Our waiting line is unusual.  If you pay early, but there are no empty places available, you are allowed to observe all audio lectures free of charge till you join us in February or March, when we get vacant places.

If we decide to stop the project, you will get 100% money back.

So, still accepting new members!

December 29:
If you have an account on DGS and prefer slow games,
you can get your teaching games here, instead of KGS. You can play all 8 games (or just few)
with both teachers at the same time for an extra fee $2 per game.
Time control must be set as 30 days absolute (no byoyomi, with clocks
running on week-ends).
It means about 3-4 moves per game every day.
Such games will be count as standard simultaneous games on KGS and
must be played on the standard handicap for your division.
On DGS you can also meet the members of your group - we accept
the results of such games. As you may know we also accept offline games -
you can play even in the local club (if you live in the same city)
- but please write and upload the SGF of your game (at least 100 moves)

December 31:
Everything is ready. Our website:



Peter Dijkema
( NL ) 2009-11-24 07:11
In my reports to, AGA e-Journal and Dutch magazine GO, I introduced the acronym KILL for your leagues. I added one 'L' for "Live" (on KGS) and renamed it: "Korean-style International Live Leagues". This title should be understandable, even to outsiders.
I stress 'Live', as I guess that everyone can watch the games on KGS!
2d ( DE ) 2009-11-23 03:11
I think, the price is justifiable, if you see it as an exclusive training club having games reviewed and played against your teachers.

The biggest problem on my side, would be time. Even playing each group member once a month looks difficult. In holiday season this would be even worse.
6d ( AR ) 2009-11-22 09:11
I was thinking over the details of the league. Although i dont find anything wrong for the teachers to win the prize, there is a bit of a conflict of interests.
I think people in general would feel more comfortable if in the case the teacher won, there would be special conditions.

At KBC , when we played betting tournaments, if they teachers won there were usually 2 followups:

the money was put in jackpot for the next league

the money was used for community spenditures (like ice cream for all, and or when we went out drinking).

The second choice is a little difficult in this case :). But for example, you could make that if the teachers won, they keep half the prize and the other one goes to the
grant or something similar. Teachers play in the 4 leagues which mean that you can potentially keep much of the prizes. if you only kept half of them until the grant money was keeped up it would be nice.

Its a long discussion, not to have on comments here :).
2009-11-22 05:11
Yes, you can pay for 1 month in advance and make the decision to stop or continue later.
2d ( AR ) 2009-11-22 03:11
can someone register for only 1 month or there is a minimum entry fee? Thanks
2009-11-21 09:11
Personally I agree that there should be some kind of incentive, be it cash or something else, for winning. It keeps the competitive spirit up.

To get some real value out of a tournament, it is best that everybody play their sharpest.
9k 2009-11-21 08:11
I really like your idea, the initiative and the will to put new ideas forward. That is a kind of spirit that is needed to keep things moving. Personally, I think you should remove the prize money and lower the monthly fee accordingly. Being an insei in your league should be a matter of being proud to be allowed to be there, to study with you, to be honored to play with the other inseis in the groups. The motivation should not be a few dollars, but the chance to join the experience, and to get to the next group. However you proceed, I wish you the best.
2009-11-19 12:11
Yes, we will have a schedule for simultaneous games. The person, who played less teaching games in current league will have an advantage.
We have US members already and I promise to make the league comfortable for them!
( US ) 2009-11-19 08:11
I have some logistical questions:

I am most interested in having the opportunity to play with the teachers. I imagine that the schedule for the simultaneous games will be posted in advance each month? Will it be "first come first serve"? Or will anyone interested always be allowed to play? Or will there be a "quota"?

And, may I ask whether the schedule will be very inconvenient for someone living in the US (that is, either too early or too late)? I ask because I imagine most people who register will be living in Europe, (or am I wrong)?
2009-11-18 07:11
I plan to start, if I find at least 30 members
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