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2009-12-31 Expert: Alexander Dinerchtein Rate: (4.4)  17 ratings

Korean Insei League on KGS - Join now! (updated on Dec31)

Korean-style Insei League on KGS.


They have almost the same system in largest Korean schools: Heo Jahghei, 9p academy, Kwon Kapmyun’s academy, Yangchun Dail, Lee Sedol’s school and others

There are 5 groups: A, B, C, D and E. A is the strongest one

Students of 10-kyu and stronger are allowed taking part


Each group consists of 10 students, who play with each other (maximum 4 games per month with the same opponent) and 2 teachers (teachers don’t meet with each other). There is no pairing – students can meet each other any time and put the results in online table, which counts the winning % and current places automatically.

 Teachers usually play their games simultaneously on 4-5 boards.  They play even games with A group members, 2-stones games with B group, 3-stones games with C group, 4 stones games with D group and 5 stones with E group


There are 2 teachers, both studied Go in Korea for a very long time:

1. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p (breakfast on KGS) – the owner of the peaceful playing style – he will teach you how to play well in fuseki and yose.


2. Ilya Shikshin 7d (roln111 on KGS) –with the aggressive playing style – he will make you  stronger at fighting.


You will see that they have completely different styles of playing handicap games.


At the end of the each month best 2 students (with highest winning %) promote to the next group, and 2 students with less impressive results go down.


The entry fee is 95 usd/ month (including 8 simultaneous games, 16 lectures and up to 11 reviews)


All groups have own prize fund, made from entry fees:

A group: 1-place: 200$, 2-place: 100$, 3-place: 50$

B, C, D, E groups: 1-place: 100$, 2-place: 50$


Places are decided by the highest winning percentage. To win the prize you have to play

at least 10 games (from 44 possible games) per month with at least 5 different opponents


Teachers can take cash prizes too, so they are also interested in winning their games in simultaneous. Teachers are not allowed to take prizes, if they play less than 60% of all games. Also teachers have big bonuses, if they play 80, 90 and 100% of all games - you can be sure, that each teacher will try to play as many games as possible (to get these bonuses)


Time control:

30 min + 30 sec byoyomi- 5 times for insei vs insei games

30 min + 60 sec byoyomi -5 times for for simultaneous


At the end of the each year the student, who showed best results (who won A-league most times) will get a 1000$ grant, which can be used for private lessons, offline study trips to Korea, Japan or China, Go books or Go equipment. Teachers are not allowed to get this grant.


 25% of your games will be reviewed offline by Alexander Dinerchtein. More games you play – more reviews you get! You will get these reviews once a week by e-mail.



We plan to start the league from Jan, 1 – 2010

4 professional players (Chun Pongjho 8p, An Younggil 8p, Lee Hajin 3p and Cho Mikyung 1p) joined the project as lectors. They will review your games online in audio format. We will have 16 lectures in total every month. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p will give some lectures too, including 4 lectures in Russian

Last week-end of the month is for Blitz games.
If you was very busy during the month, you can play lot of blitz games at the end and get your reviews.
Main time control for last Saturday and Sunday of every month is 3 times shorter than usual:
10 min, 30 sec byoyomi - 5 times for insei vs insei games
10 min, 60 sec byoyomi - 5 times for simultaneous

 For registration please e-mail us ( these details:




4.Rank (you must be 10-kyu or stronger!)

5.Goal in Go

6.Preferred method of payment (Paypal, Moneybookers,Webmoney, WesternUnion etc)


 December 12: We already accepted 50 players. We don't plan to add more groups, so others will be in the waiting line.

Our waiting line is unusual.  If you pay early, but there are no empty places available, you are allowed to observe all audio lectures free of charge till you join us in February or March, when we get vacant places.

If we decide to stop the project, you will get 100% money back.

So, still accepting new members!

December 29:
If you have an account on DGS and prefer slow games,
you can get your teaching games here, instead of KGS. You can play all 8 games (or just few)
with both teachers at the same time for an extra fee $2 per game.
Time control must be set as 30 days absolute (no byoyomi, with clocks
running on week-ends).
It means about 3-4 moves per game every day.
Such games will be count as standard simultaneous games on KGS and
must be played on the standard handicap for your division.
On DGS you can also meet the members of your group - we accept
the results of such games. As you may know we also accept offline games -
you can play even in the local club (if you live in the same city)
- but please write and upload the SGF of your game (at least 100 moves)

December 31:
Everything is ready. Our website:



2009-11-26 04:11
Current situation: 25 registered players from 7d to 10-kyu. Mainly from Russia, USA and Germany
2009-11-26 03:11


I totaly agree with you. My point was just to be more realistic about the first goals of this league.

To my mind, I think the price is not that expensive, but there is a lot of realistic things to care about. As you said, the number of player that will enter for the first time is one thing.
And again as you said, there is a lot of people who want to improve and take the game seriously. Being a hobby doesn't mean that you don't care, but like you, I have to live and go is after job.
2009-11-26 03:11

It would seem that this league is mostly not targeted against hobbyist or casual players, but competitive players taking the game a little bit more serious. My problem with this is that it seems unrealistic to have a goal of 30-40 players entering and even so, that the league can sustained a for a worthwhile amount of time.

It would be much more interesting to see this league "meet in the middle" and maybe try to compromise.

There are a lot of competitive western players wanting to improve no matter what the cost, but even they have to make a living...

There are practical things that the league can iron out as it moves along, but I would be much more confident about its success if the people arranging it would set a more realistic starting goal. If it never gets of the ground, how can it be improved upon?

Danigabi talked about the cost not being an issue. Those who want to improve are willing to spend this kind of money he sais. But value for money is of course relevant. If most people here can not conceive that they can work this into their schedule and not get the amount of reviews etc that would make this worthwhile. Then most people would probably rather spend the money improving in a different manner. So cost is relevant, or else people will use their money elsewhere...
2009-11-25 08:11

I think you misunderstood my point. For most of us, go is only a hobby, it means that most of our time is spent doing something else (job, study, ...)
Of course you can have students from all over the world, you and only you have to find the time to play with your student, but suppose that in a group of 10 players, 1 is Euro and the others American ... when one is working the others sleep and so on. I doubt this player will play a lot of games and enjoy the league !

And again, if you can play from time to time at midnight, I'm not sure you can do that for a long time ... but maybe i missunderstood the goal of the league (to improve throught playing a lot of games that can be reviewed)
2009-11-25 06:11
<Will it be possible to join the League after it has started? Say in the middle of 2010>

Yes, we will probably have special tournament for enterting the league, starting from Feb,2010 - exactly as in Korea.
2009-11-25 05:11
I have private students from Japan, US and Europe and it's not a big problem to find the time.
We will have a special room on KGS where you can meet players from your group. Also, you will have their e-mails, so if you cannot find someone - you can e-mail him and discuss the time you prefer to meet.
2009-11-25 12:11

The whole thing is a good idea but maybe you forgot something important about Korean League in Korea ... the time difference.

Most player who will attempt the league may be disappointed because they can't play 44 games as expected.
In fact most player will be European or American (I suppose) which have at least +/- 5 hours difference ...
So how to deal with a good price to enter the league / the number of games that is REALLY possible to play / the number of games review / the lectures ?

Maybe one could play at midnight during one month but how about a long time ?
Peter Dijkema
( NL ) 2009-11-25 10:11
Added the good news of An Young-gil 8P joining the two of you, to my reports. Once, I humbly hosted him in Amsterdam with professor Hahn. But now the Australians hired him. Good luck for Europe: we can learn more from An 8P again. On a regular base, even. Good job, go-sensations!
1K ( RU ) 2009-11-24 03:11
I have one question:
Will it be possible to join the League after it has started? Say in the middle of 2010. I am unsure at the moment if I fill hate time for such activity :(
2009-11-24 11:11
Thx for your help!
Yes, we will make games open to observers, except online lectures
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