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2009-12-31 Expert: Alexander Dinerchtein Rate: (4.4)  17 ratings

Korean Insei League on KGS - Join now! (updated on Dec31)

Korean-style Insei League on KGS.


They have almost the same system in largest Korean schools: Heo Jahghei, 9p academy, Kwon Kapmyun’s academy, Yangchun Dail, Lee Sedol’s school and others

There are 5 groups: A, B, C, D and E. A is the strongest one

Students of 10-kyu and stronger are allowed taking part


Each group consists of 10 students, who play with each other (maximum 4 games per month with the same opponent) and 2 teachers (teachers don’t meet with each other). There is no pairing – students can meet each other any time and put the results in online table, which counts the winning % and current places automatically.

 Teachers usually play their games simultaneously on 4-5 boards.  They play even games with A group members, 2-stones games with B group, 3-stones games with C group, 4 stones games with D group and 5 stones with E group


There are 2 teachers, both studied Go in Korea for a very long time:

1. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p (breakfast on KGS) – the owner of the peaceful playing style – he will teach you how to play well in fuseki and yose.


2. Ilya Shikshin 7d (roln111 on KGS) –with the aggressive playing style – he will make you  stronger at fighting.


You will see that they have completely different styles of playing handicap games.


At the end of the each month best 2 students (with highest winning %) promote to the next group, and 2 students with less impressive results go down.


The entry fee is 95 usd/ month (including 8 simultaneous games, 16 lectures and up to 11 reviews)


All groups have own prize fund, made from entry fees:

A group: 1-place: 200$, 2-place: 100$, 3-place: 50$

B, C, D, E groups: 1-place: 100$, 2-place: 50$


Places are decided by the highest winning percentage. To win the prize you have to play

at least 10 games (from 44 possible games) per month with at least 5 different opponents


Teachers can take cash prizes too, so they are also interested in winning their games in simultaneous. Teachers are not allowed to take prizes, if they play less than 60% of all games. Also teachers have big bonuses, if they play 80, 90 and 100% of all games - you can be sure, that each teacher will try to play as many games as possible (to get these bonuses)


Time control:

30 min + 30 sec byoyomi- 5 times for insei vs insei games

30 min + 60 sec byoyomi -5 times for for simultaneous


At the end of the each year the student, who showed best results (who won A-league most times) will get a 1000$ grant, which can be used for private lessons, offline study trips to Korea, Japan or China, Go books or Go equipment. Teachers are not allowed to get this grant.


 25% of your games will be reviewed offline by Alexander Dinerchtein. More games you play – more reviews you get! You will get these reviews once a week by e-mail.



We plan to start the league from Jan, 1 – 2010

4 professional players (Chun Pongjho 8p, An Younggil 8p, Lee Hajin 3p and Cho Mikyung 1p) joined the project as lectors. They will review your games online in audio format. We will have 16 lectures in total every month. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p will give some lectures too, including 4 lectures in Russian

Last week-end of the month is for Blitz games.
If you was very busy during the month, you can play lot of blitz games at the end and get your reviews.
Main time control for last Saturday and Sunday of every month is 3 times shorter than usual:
10 min, 30 sec byoyomi - 5 times for insei vs insei games
10 min, 60 sec byoyomi - 5 times for simultaneous

 For registration please e-mail us ( these details:




4.Rank (you must be 10-kyu or stronger!)

5.Goal in Go

6.Preferred method of payment (Paypal, Moneybookers,Webmoney, WesternUnion etc)


 December 12: We already accepted 50 players. We don't plan to add more groups, so others will be in the waiting line.

Our waiting line is unusual.  If you pay early, but there are no empty places available, you are allowed to observe all audio lectures free of charge till you join us in February or March, when we get vacant places.

If we decide to stop the project, you will get 100% money back.

So, still accepting new members!

December 29:
If you have an account on DGS and prefer slow games,
you can get your teaching games here, instead of KGS. You can play all 8 games (or just few)
with both teachers at the same time for an extra fee $2 per game.
Time control must be set as 30 days absolute (no byoyomi, with clocks
running on week-ends).
It means about 3-4 moves per game every day.
Such games will be count as standard simultaneous games on KGS and
must be played on the standard handicap for your division.
On DGS you can also meet the members of your group - we accept
the results of such games. As you may know we also accept offline games -
you can play even in the local club (if you live in the same city)
- but please write and upload the SGF of your game (at least 100 moves)

December 31:
Everything is ready. Our website:



2009-11-18 07:11

Just in case we have misunderstood. Will the league start without 40 people joining? Say, will you start the league even if you fill only 1 or two groups?
2009-11-18 07:11
We have 13 registered inseis so far. Not bad for 2.5 days
I already started to work on online tournament table
2009-11-18 06:11

Yes, I agree completely. It needs to grow. But to grow it needs a stable foundation, and it needs founders who have the energy to see it through while it is growing.
5k 2009-11-18 06:11

Just to make it clear:
I am not saying you are wrong!
I am just saying you are to fast...

A project like this needs time to grow.
2009-11-18 06:11

It seems it is the general opinion of people that this will not get of the ground. Even one of the holders himself:

"You can register right now, but please don’t pay us till we ask you to pay. Probably we cannot find enough members to start the project."

40 People is quite a lot of people on KGS. Generally if you see how many people study groups, even free lectures get it seems quite hard to get 40 people to join this, especially with this price.

Trying it a second time if the first time does not work, well, some people have the energy for that. Maybe they do, that is not for me to speculate.

Only reason why I am commenting so heavily on this subject is that I would very much like to see it happen. But when even the people running the league do not seem to think they can get enough people, maybe it should be adjusted somewhat to a more realistic format.
5k 2009-11-18 05:11

I think what you are saying does make sense, but so far its a potulate. We dont know if there will be enough people to start the league, or if the price has to be more "realistic". If so, breakfast may think about it and try it a second time, based on your suggestions.

But for now it does make sense to first look and see how many people are willing to join the league, before you are calling it dead.
2009-11-18 05:11

I respect you, and no offence, but you are being pretentious now.

You should not assume to much that people who are not you think the way you do about this. I run a local club, and we have been talking a lot about this league. How it would help KGS and is a good initiative, but we feel the price point is two high. We have also talked about what price people feel they could pay for this. Most people have said 35-40 dollar. Some of these people also spend quite a lot of their free time playing Go. These people include people taking lectures, people who have traveled to China to study etc.

You should not so easily dismiss the price thing, and you should not over generalize based only on your own experience.

Again, this league would be more useful if it actually where to be run, than if it would not happen.

So instead of dismissing feedback, what about listening to what people have to say and try to form an opinion of what needs to be done with this league to ensure that it would happen?

I feel this would be way more constructive.
5k 2009-11-18 05:11
Sorry breakfast .. I think the question misses the point.

Ofcause we all like to have a teacher who is willing to teach! And to be willing to teach means both: Taking time as well as not showing off.
5k 2009-11-18 05:11
Sorry breakfast .. I think the question misses the point.

Ofcause we all like to have a teacher how is willing to teach! And to be willing to teach means both: Taking time as well not showing off.
2009-11-18 05:11
But was is better for you? Teacher, who plays in his full strength, or teacher, who plays as fast as possible, because he wants to finish his game quickly and start a new one?
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