(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[300]OT[3x20 byo-yomi]
PW[Finnish8d]PB[bigbadwolf]WR[9d]BR[9d]DT[2009-11-06]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[298.106]C[Finnish8d [9d\]: hi
]
;W[dc]WL[297.202]C[bigbadwolf [9d\]: hi
]
;B[cp]BL[296.321]
;W[pp]WL[294.611]C[Naysmith [2d\]: rematch!
]
;B[nq]BL[294.751]
;W[qn]WL[292.486]
;B[pr]BL[290.446]
;W[cf]WL[288.072]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: firstone didn't count
]
;B[nc]BL[286.62]
;W[ep]WL[282.282]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: false start
]
;B[hp]BL[283.378]
;W[qq]WL[273.717]
;B[kp]BL[279.655]
;W[en]WL[268.265]
;B[cm]BL[277.771]C[jigonin [5k\]: kobayashi
]
;W[el]WL[264.149]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: wait... weaker player takes black?
]
;B[do]BL[270.886]
;W[cq]WL[258.059]
;B[bq]BL[269.306]C[freemagic [4k\]: komi here
]
;W[dq]WL[256.135]
;B[br]BL[268.094]C[Shrewd [1d?\]: with 6.5 komi it shouldn't matter
Naysmith [2d\]: nigiri
]
;W[eo]WL[253.939]C[BobWhoosta [10k\]: They're both 9d.
]
;B[dk]BL[264.026]
;W[cn]WL[250]C[Grokken [8k?\]: bbw was white last game
jigonin [5k\]: its random
Naysmith [2d\]: and he won
sophtpaw [4k\]: BobWhoosta: no, look really carefully... Finnsh is 8d - see?
]
;B[dn]BL[245.422]C[freemagic [4k\]: b6
]
;W[dm]WL[248.078]
;B[bn]BL[244.841]
;W[cl]WL[246.578]
;B[bm]BL[244.22]
;W[dl]WL[244.633]C[BobWhoosta [10k\]: Oh......Thanks Sophtpaw.
Gizensha [?\]: when playing multiple games it's a habit to change colors if there is no hc
]
;B[ef]BL[230.655]C[shutendoji [?\]: disaster for b
]
;W[ed]WL[236.631]
;B[cg]BL[227.137]C[shutendoji [?\]: missed c6
]
;W[bg]WL[232.327]
;B[bf]BL[225.89]
;W[be]WL[230.134]
;B[df]BL[224.738]C[loFi [1d\]: ?
]
;W[af]WL[227.207]
;B[ce]BL[224.097]
;W[bf]WL[226.359]
;B[id]BL[221.17]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: bobWhoosta: YW... next time look very carefully next to the name - it tells rank
]
;W[qh]WL[220.558]
;B[pm]BL[213.907]C[mafutrct [-\]: d5 seems really bad to me
]
;W[qm]WL[215.159]
;B[pk]BL[211.323]C[DrH0use [2d\]: i bet on artem
]
;W[qf]WL[210.488]C[TheBeast [?\]: yeah, 2x9D's
]
;B[oh]BL[203.354]C[MXHero [-\]: d5 is joseki i believe
]
;W[pl]WL[202.13]C[aap [4k\]: did zq won the match?
msanthrope [2k\]: that 18 ds
]
;B[ol]BL[200.905]
;W[ql]WL[201.357]C[Naysmith [2d\]: so if my name was like Naysmith8d, I'd be 8d too?
Grokken [8k?\]: no
]
;B[nk]BL[188.216]C[Naysmith [2d\]: no, aap, he lost
sophtpaw [4k\]: Naysmit, lol
aap [4k\]: lol
TheCount [2d\]: in your mind, you may already be successful
]
;W[pd]WL[178.432]C[Godfather [2k\]: youll look funny at least =)
]
;B[pc]BL[184.917]
;W[qc]WL[177.684]C[TsuQ [6k\]: lost by 4.5 after 0.5 komi
Naysmith [2d\]: haha
sophtpaw [4k\]: Naysmith: no, notif it is in the name- i said rank is written next to the name! you have to look very carefully
BobWhoosta [10k\]: Naysmith, I believe it only works if the KGS rank is HIGHER than the one you claim.
just9x9 [-\]: hehe nice couple
BobWhoosta [10k\]: Correct me if I'm wrong Sputh.
Naysmith [2d\]: you know, I have a picture with my name and 9d next to it IRL
stafan [-\]: "there's no user account called 'Naysmith8d' on the system"
stafan [-\]: you better hurry!
Naysmith [2d\]: by that time I was ~3k here :)
]
;B[rd]BL[137.731]C[msanthrope [2k\]: finding time to get 2 dan and invent basketball
msanthrope [2k\]: nice
TsuQ [6k\]: it does seem like the rule is to understate your rank vs kgs rank =/
]
;W[rc]WL[145.323]
;B[rb]BL[134.373]C[Zairex [2k?\]: what a move
TsuQ [6k\]: was Tiger5k ever 5k?
]
;W[pe]WL[127.892]
;B[oc]BL[131.163]C[DrH0use [2d\]: 5kp
BobWhoosta [10k\]: That's why I'm Changing my name to American14k.
]
;W[ne]WL[121.864]C[MatchFree [-\]: yes he was
DrH0use [2d\]: kyu pro
]
;B[ge]BL[118.787]C[just9x9 [-\]: pro at being kyu?
]
;W[mq]WL[115.665]C[ChoMama [-\]: even 9d was once ddk
DrH0use [2d\]: sure
]
;B[mp]BL[113.347]C[danigabi [-\]: why are they playing so fast
]
;W[lq]WL[114.186]C[Joorin [2k\]: tsuq, if you live in a country where there are no dan ranks as amateur, you might be strnoger on KGS.
]
;B[lp]BL[105.266]
;W[nr]WL[110.26]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: danigabi; so thattheycan play another one after
]
;B[or]BL[99.376]
;W[oq]WL[101.855]
;B[np]BL[98.357]
;W[mr]WL[94.978]C[IGoofy [1d\]: speed of errors doesnt matter
]
;B[qr]BL[85.273]C[Naysmith [2d\]: meh, I know a lot of players with EGF rating quite lower than their KGS rank
]
;W[jq]WL[92.167]
;B[rq]BL[83.513]
;W[rp]WL[89.735]
;B[pq]BL[80.894]
;W[qp]WL[88.946]C[Naysmith [2d\]: no need to not have dans
]
;B[ir]BL[67.547]C[just9x9 [-\]: might be cuz they play only on kgs, no tournament irl naysmith
Naysmith [2d\]: nah, they play tournaments also
]
;W[jr]WL[68.167]C[memememe4 [?\]: l2
Naysmith [2d\]: maybe not enough, though
freemagic [4k\]: j3
freemagic [4k\]: or p4
memememe4 [?\]: p4 no need
TsuQ [6k\]: l2 first? or does that not make sense
]
;B[hr]BL[34.047]C[P51M [5d\]: h3
Uberdude [5d?\]: kgs 4d is certainly weaker than egf 4d
]
;W[op]WL[59.606]
;B[sq]BL[31.507]C[chmol [3d\]: not really
chmol [3d\]: depends on people
memememe4 [?\]: s1
chmol [3d\]: I'm egf 3d
Jesters [1d\]: rankings in the world is false. Based on competitivity, not knowledge
freemagic [4k\]: i'm egf 30k
Naysmith [2d\]: but I know a solid kgs 3d who is egf 1d
johnny [6k\]: k4 big?
TsuQ [6k\]: ... how to answer s1??
Uberdude [5d?\]: i'm egf 1.5d
danigabi [-\]: s2
memememe4 [?\]: r2 is dead
freemagic [4k\]: semiai
]
;W[qb]WL[2.662]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: how about yahoo ranking?
memememe4 [?\]: for ko
]
;B[sc]BL[27.369]C[TsuQ [6k\]: yahoo ranking...
TsuQ [6k\]: lol
danigabi [-\]: i cant believe the same situation is happening than a game yesterday
danigabi [-\]: corner is ko as it stands now
]
;W[hq]WL[20]OW[3]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: i have 1191 ranking on yahoo
]
;B[gq]BL[24.382]
;W[iq]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[go]BL[23.18]C[freemagic [4k\]: lol
chmol [3d\]: I know some old 4d egf players who are 2d-3d on kgs
just9x9 [-\]: how is it ko?
freemagic [4k\]: i'm beat 1600 on yahoo
BobWhoosta [10k\]: 1191 d or k?
memememe4 [?\]: m3 seems dead too
TsuQ [6k\]: you are 1191 kyu?
]
;W[ns]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[fm]BL[21.36]C[Grokken [8k?\]: 1191 dan
]
;W[io]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[ip]BL[17.452]C[TsuQ [6k\]: ahh
Uberdude [5d?\]: are they still 4d?
danigabi [-\]: its bent 4, but white not alive outside
Naysmith [2d\]: old players are sometimes weaker than their rank
Spartaaaaa [1k?\]: s1 s2 t1 p1 r1 
]
;W[jp]WL[20]OW[3]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: BobWhoosta they just have numbers in yahoo, no k's or d's
]
;B[jo]BL[16.535]
;W[kq]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[kn]BL[13.609]C[TsuQ [6k\]: eep
]
;W[os]WL[20]OW[3]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: there are many old dans getting weaker
]
;B[em]BL[10.132]C[TsuQ [6k\]: w alive, b dead
]
;W[gn]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[fn]BL[7.095]C[BobWhoosta [10k\]: Dang, corrected again!
]
;W[fo]WL[20]OW[3]C[freemagic [4k\]: huge moyo and weak group not good combo
DrH0use [2d\]: ko
johnny [6k\]: B m1?
]
;B[gp]BL[20]OB[3]C[memememe4 [?\]: you never know who is dead
freemagic [4k\]: m1  don't work any more
TsuQ [6k\]: m1 has got to be 2 slow
]
;W[gm]WL[20]OW[3]C[danigabi [-\]: q2 is dead, TsuQ
LeePlayBoy [6d\]: ??
sophtpaw [4k\]: why b not make g7 first instead?
Finnish8d [9d\]: Thanks
LeePlayBoy [6d\]: why not h6?
mooooo [13k\]: n1
bigbadwolf [9d\]: thx
kalim [3k\]: ladder
Maduress [5d\]: the popular sichou
sophtpaw [4k\]: yes
stoked [4k\]: ladder again
LeePlayBoy [6d\]: instead of g4
sophtpaw [4k\]: who did not 'see' the ladder?
flashback [7d\]: 9ds ladder problem?
markpi [5k?\]: bbw
TsuQ [6k\]: I still dont see it (reading)
freemagic [4k\]: lol
sophtpaw [4k\]: TsuQ notice O15
Genotive [3k\]: o15 is ladder breaker
Neospring [4k\]: finish got revenge for last ladder
Uberdude [5d?\]: not a breakler
Uberdude [5d?\]: a maker
sophtpaw [4k\]: lets just call it a dream breaker and leave it at that
TsuQ [6k\]: ahh yes, played it out, indeed =P
joe30045 [4k\]: ladder bracket
TsuQ [6k\]: heh 6k is weak at ladder =P
nohoper [5k\]: does g7 1st work for b?
TsuQ [6k\]: maybe so
TsuQ [6k\]: looks hard for w to save g6 then
TsuQ [6k\]: (and j5
Zairex [2k?\]: g7 g4
beta5 [8k?\]: I missed the finnish game :(
])
