(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[SanKingTim]PB[zchen]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-10-16]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[zchen [7d\]: hi
SanKingTim [7d\]: hi
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[594.795]C[SanKingTim [7d\]: havу a good game
evanj [2d\]: woo
]
;W[dp]WL[591.449]
;B[qp]BL[590.147]
;W[dc]WL[589.373]
;B[fq]BL[585.31]
;W[kq]WL[583.225]C[moonscar [-\]: i already like white.
moonscar [-\]: /fan lists
ermiwal [6k\]: k4
moonscar [-\]: o3 enclosure
sugar [1d\]: L3 is brilliant, b might as well resign
DokdoKorea [2k\]: why ? what of w makes u to like it?
CBlue [1k?\]: finally some highdan game
evanj [2d\]: L3 is pretty
moonscar [-\]: he uses a move i love to use when approached quite often, dokdo, in some games
DokdoKorea [2k\]: i see
]
;B[cn]BL[413.27]
;W[eq]WL[538.261]
;B[fp]BL[400.263]C[moonscar [-\]: woot.
]
;W[dn]WL[529.489]C[DokdoKorea [2k\]:  r u korean? cause moon is one of korean last name
]
;B[dm]BL[395.012]C[evanj [2d\]: no, he's a korean's car
]
;W[en]WL[517.9]C[DokdoKorea [2k\]: haha,
]
;B[co]BL[369.689]
;W[do]WL[515.269]
;B[cp]BL[359.653]C[DokdoKorea [2k\]: coulda be korean's scar face?
]
;W[cq]WL[503.935]
;B[bq]BL[358.635]C[moonscar [-\]: i am korean's scarface.
moonscar [-\]: /leans on cane
]
;W[br]WL[472.559]
;B[cr]BL[356.629]
;W[dq]WL[471.204]
;B[ar]BL[355.328]
(;W[cm]WL[453.646]C[This is the losing move, I think -]
;B[cl]BL[353.727]
;W[bm]WL[424.542]
;B[bs]BL[350.855]
;W[ck]WL[413.303]
;B[em]BL[344.76]
;W[bl]WL[407.149]
;B[fn]BL[334.171]
;W[fo]WL[380.613]C[FrostDragn [3d\]: f7 
LeeSeedol [1d\]: the fate of all kings is to lose their crown :o
FrostDragn [3d\]: oh, nvm >>''
DokdoKorea [2k\]: hi, seedol
LeeSeedol [1d\]: hi :) no im not the actual lee
DJPeter [2k\]: c'est surprenant
Uberdude [5d?\]: can't even spell it right
]
;B[fm]BL[266.972]
;W[go]WL[372.617]
;B[er]BL[262.816]C[DokdoKorea [2k\]: *_* ***sprised****
LeeSeedol [1d\]: :P
]
;W[bn]WL[366.063]
;B[bo]BL[252.439]
;W[ao]WL[364.051]
;B[bp]BL[249.787]C[DanielTom [3d\]: interesting variation, seems good for W
Kayres [13k\]: this looks interesting..
TheHerb [3d?\]: It looks awful.
DanielTom [3d\]: <.<
hurg [7k\]: The ponnuki is worth 30 points
Eleveneyes [4d\]: e7 ugly 
NateC [2d\]: Often, the awful things are interesting. Tis the bane of being human
lazoulu [9k\]: not there though
DokdoKorea [2k\]: ahhhhh soon asada mao and yuna kim will dance....
LeeSeedol [1d\]: haha
pls: who's stronger, 13k or 9k?
hurg [7k\]: 13k
Uberdude [5d?\]: 9
Kayres [13k\]: ^^
CBlue [1k?\]: p4?
Yurial [7k\]: depends
LeeJaedong [2k\]: 13k is over 9k
cwapface [7k\]: 13 is 4 more
pls: ic thx
Zsigmondy [-\]: h6?
DokdoKorea [2k\]: i don't know but 2k is lot stronger
DanielTom [3d\]: h7 ?
hurg [7k\]: 7k is strongest
CBlue [1k?\]: oh wait, h7 yes
Trevoke [7k?\]: Should we also explain the difference between "d" and "k", namely "k" is further ahead in the alphabet ?
Hataycan [19k\]: i have a small question, is there anyone can help ? ill ask in private
NateC [2d\]: 9k is stronger. Ranks go from 30k to 1k, then 1d to 9d
tiegame [-\]: [-\] strongest
]
;W[eo]WL[221.763]C[hurg [7k\]: The ponnuki is still worth 30 points
cwapface [7k\]: 2k is like 6d in japan
DanielTom [3d\]: e5 oh
cwapface [7k\]: 1k is only 3d
pls: i'm strange here, not familiar with KGS rank system
Kayres [13k\]: ask me
Stable [1k\]: sure hataycan
tiegame [-\]: g2?
matic [13k\]: 30k is strongest!
Kayres [13k\]: hataycan
Kayres [13k\]: bende türküm
LeeJaedong [2k\]: 30ks are teh rarest
Kayres [13k\]: u can ask here aswell i think
LeeJaedong [2k\]: i need to cath one
DanielTom [3d\]: solid
hurg [7k\]: 1d is strongest
]
;B[jq]BL[217.926]C[hurg [7k\]: He's number 1!
DokdoKorea [2k\]: naything with K is good thing. see? 24k is best among gold
Shindou [1d\]: i am stongest here
tiegame [-\]: first from end
SolidSnake [2d\]: someone called me?
]
;W[jp]WL[202.354]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: easy to remember: kyu measures how bad you are, dan measures how good you are
]
;B[ip]BL[212.768]
;W[io]WL[200.486]C[Ras [12k\]: 1p has only 1 p in it
pls: d is stronger than k, right?
]
;B[jo]BL[209.702]C[Yurial [7k\]: lol
]
;W[kp]WL[198.743]
;B[ho]BL[208.857]C[Yurial [7k\]: uberdude is right
Caccobius [4k\]: lol
hurg [7k\]: Uberdude is just jealous because the kyus are stronger than him ;)
pls: then 30d might be the stronest, i guess
Salt: pls, in seriousness: 30k<1k<1d<9d
NateC [2d\]: Uberdude, surely you aren't implying that I some skill with the goban!
Eleveneyes [4d\]: lol
Yurial [7k\]: if it existed
CBlue [1k?\]: w has no obvious reply?
Trevoke [7k?\]: I'm not sure what W is doing but it doesn't look good for him, does it?
stopblitz [7d\]: ...
Salt: there is no less than 30k, no greater than 9d
DokdoKorea [2k\]: hehe* scratch head,.....that is uberdude's head*
CBlue [1k?\]: g6 = good for b?
matic [13k\]: 10d ftw
daal [7k\]: dan= good moves per game, kyu= mistakes per move
]
;W[in]WL[140.043]C[SolidSnake [2d\]: nah
stopblitz [7d\]: p
DokdoKorea [2k\]: awwww, daaalll,,,,, u traitor
SolidSnake [2d\]: i played a 9D recently and made more mistakes than i correct in a kyu game :P
tiegame [-\]: lol
]
;B[hn]BL[174.267]C[Kayres [13k\]: u think all kyu players together could beat all dan players together?
SolidSnake [2d\]: no way
Uberdude [5d?\]: with sticks, yes
tiegame [-\]: w so dead
Yurial [7k\]: physically, yes
Yurial [7k\]: lol
Kayres [13k\]: no way?
Kayres [13k\]: haha
SolidSnake [2d\]: no way
lazoulu [9k\]: in numbers yea
Kayres [13k\]: yeah physically but i mean in go. 
]
;W[hp]WL[105.787]C[Kayres [13k\]: allright..
SolidSnake [2d\]: lee seedol knows more than half the world together when it comes to go
kimball [?\]: any bets on whites escape?
DokdoKorea [2k\]: with boxing glove we kyus might kill ds
stopblitz [7d\]: physically ?
Cookiex [-\]: this is sick, what is sanking doing?
hurg [7k\]: g4
pls: may i ask how long it takes for beginner to be 9d here?   longer than 3 weeks?
Kayres [13k\]: lee seedol is? 9p?
Yurial [7k\]: years
motion [2k?\]: good move
Yurial [7k\]: decades
NateC [2d\]: A lifetime, pls
Kayres [13k\]: yeah!
Kayres [13k\]: 3 weeks?!
Kayres [13k\]: haha
Salt: pls, many, many years
Uberdude [5d?\]: most people never make 9d
DokdoKorea [2k\]: 3 century
Trevoke [7k?\]: You know, when teaching martial arts, one usually tries to only give three corrections per class, if that. Any more and it can't fully be retained.
Rodrigo [7k\]: g4?
]
;B[iq]BL[125.961]C[Denniskutl [2d\]: pls, it takes a lot of time but you can be a troll in a very short time
]
;W[gn]WL[100.414]C[stopblitz [7d\]: most ppl dont make 30 kyu 
writer [1k?\]: I dont understand w e5 instead of h5 before
]
;B[hm]BL[124.61]C[Trevoke [7k?\]: I wonder, if we only took three mistakes per game but really studied them..
]
;W[gm]WL[99.03]
;B[jn]BL[115.313]C[pls: u guys r kidding me?
Cookiex [-\]: what is white doing?
LeeJaedong [2k\]: have you ever read get strong at kblitz plz? it's a good book
Yurial [7k\]: no
motion [2k?\]: no
Yurial [7k\]: really hard to get 9d
SolidSnake [2d\]: w iss losing a game in sente
kimball [?\]: furikawari
Yurial [7k\]: REALLY
Kayres [13k\]: it is hard
lazoulu [9k\]: is K6 any good
Kayres [13k\]: 9d..
just9x9 [-\]: dont feed the troll pls
hurg [7k\]: BBW finds it easy to get 9d
LeeJaedong [2k\]: BBW is cruel
thekaiser [2d\]: ...
Uffie [8d?\]: it's complicate now
Kayres [13k\]: 8d
hurg [7k\]: BBW is amazing
SolidSnake [2d\]: bbw is not the strongest player on kgs
stopblitz [7d\]: easy to get 9d but hard to stay one 
LeeJaedong [2k\]: he uses this tesuji where he holds the stone hovering over the winning move
]
;W[gl]WL[26.128]C[tiegame [-\]: 9d
LeeJaedong [2k\]: to see the look of horor on the opponent's eyes
]
;B[im]BL[108.763]C[tiegame [-\]: kyu's dream
]
;W[oq]WL[19.698]C[Arcola [5d?\]: a very messy game for w
SolidSnake [2d\]: most promising player on kgs are artem and kghin
Kayres [13k\]: erinys?
Uberdude [5d?\]: q3
]
;B[po]BL[85.001]C[Salt: Of course, you can buy a 9 dan rank. I would be happy to help. Do you have paypal?
Uberdude [5d?\]: r2
stopblitz [7d\]: and why is that SolidSnake ?
Uberdude [5d?\]: this seems soft
Kayres [13k\]: i think danigabi has a lot potential
pls: i know 2 eyes needed for survival at least, so i'm not quite the beginner... i can be 9d soon?
tiegame [-\]: lol
SolidSnake [2d\]: their age
evanj [2d\]: i think he means combination of youth and strength
hurg [7k\]: I don't know, BBW is 18 and beats pros, he has quite a Go career ahead of him...
DnFBlitz [1k\]: how much for a 9d rank?
DokdoKorea [2k\]: still too early...
SolidSnake [2d\]: and involvement in go
stopblitz [7d\]: their age /
stopblitz [7d\]: artem is 18 
stopblitz [7d\]: ...
Kayres [13k\]: huh?!
LeeJaedong [2k\]: but andy goes to college now
Kayres [13k\]: oO
stopblitz [7d\]: not young 
]
;W[no]WL[30]OW[5]C[evanj [2d\]: college... what a bad idea if you want to be good at go
DokdoKorea [2k\]: i am 81
Kayres [13k\]: ;)
SolidSnake [2d\]: artem is not is not 18
DnFBlitz [1k\]: i think bbw doesn't plan to get really strong at go
Hightime [2d\]: what a good idea if you want to live a normal life
hurg [7k\]: Didn't Jie Li go to a school of some sort?
SolidSnake [2d\]: he is born 92
evanj [2d\]: normal? life? what?
stopblitz [7d\]: of curse he is 
geocaplan [2d\]: long time ago I warned you about that evan
Trevoke [7k?\]: evanj : maybe when the US get a recognized pro federation it may mean something
LeeJaedong [2k\]: yea why do u think micheal fell to 7d
Trevoke [7k?\]: Jie Li went to law school
hurg [7k\]: He's never been quite the same since...
Salt: Cheap- 50 quid, payed in advance
hurg [7k\]: He's started losing games sometimes.
]
;B[de]BL[51.512]C[Moon9 [1d\]: artem is insey
stopblitz [7d\]: ?
Moon9 [1d\]: i*
]
;W[ce]WL[30]OW[5]C[stopblitz [7d\]: no ,,,
Moon9 [1d\]: yeap)
unatari [2k\]: is anyone actually watching the game?
Hightime [2d\]: no :p
SolidSnake [2d\]: i watched a review by catalin taranu on kgs
SolidSnake [2d\]: of artem game in 2008
stopblitz [7d\]: \]he study in the unviersti
]
;B[cj]BL[34.459]C[SolidSnake [2d\]: vs debarre
Faster [4k\]: Artem from Russia - he cant be insei
pls: why w doesn't take c8?  w can kill it with d8
Hightime [2d\]: debarre plays for fun
moonscar [-\]: why not talk to artem yourself?
SolidSnake [2d\]: he was getting already very good critiques
moonscar [-\]: he's a good fellow.
]
;W[df]WL[30]OW[5]C[stopblitz [7d\]: ukrine not russia 
SolidSnake [2d\]: catalin complimented almost 20 of artems moves
SolidSnake [2d\]: and was correcting debarre whole time
]
;B[cd]BL[10.492]C[Yurial [7k\]: pls good eye.  but they're not playing that move for a reason.
Faster [4k\]: nvm
Hightime [2d\]: debarre don't care - that's the difference
Yurial [7k\]: and I don't know that reason
Uberdude [5d?\]: ss, but who won?
Yurial [7k\]: lol
SolidSnake [2d\]: artem ofc
]
;W[dd]WL[30]OW[5]C[daal [7k\]: this is good to practice reading
]
;B[ee]BL[8.694]C[SolidSnake [2d\]: its on youtube
unatari [2k\]: b15 
Uberdude [5d?\]: c10 is nonsense
DJPeter [2k\]: we don't care solid :D
Kayres [13k\]: really, snake? 
Kayres [13k\]: we do
play234 [-\]: i think catalin was 16 when he started playing, so not too late for artem yes
]
;W[cf]WL[30]OW[5]C[pls: e14
Arcola [5d?\]: D9
Kayres [13k\]: some do
]
;B[cc]BL[6.704]C[CBlue [1k?\]: solidsnake, whats the url?
stopblitz [7d\]: catalin lost to egf 5ds so with all the respect i am not sure at all that he can even win artem 
]
;W[db]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ef]BL[30]OB[5]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: beat
SolidSnake [2d\]: depends
lazoulu [9k\]: not good for b
Moon9 [1d\]: catalin is 2p)
moonscar [-\]: stopblitz. good argument there.
]
;W[eg]WL[30]OW[5]C[Yurial [7k\]: b looks bad here
]
;B[fg]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[fh]WL[30]OW[5]C[Hightime [2d\]: catalin 5p
SolidSnake [2d\]: to get 5P
Arcola [5d?\]: D9!
Kayres [13k\]: solidsnake, can u give me the url please?
SolidSnake [2d\]: he did have to paly vs pro i assume
SolidSnake [2d\]: play0
Mikiso [1d\]: its more the question if he deserves the "p"
drunkblitz [6k\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGp5tRWFT88 for the url
]
;B[eh]BL[30]OB[5]C[Hightime [2d\]: he played in the japanese oteai
Kayres [13k\]: thank you very much
]
;W[dg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[gg]BL[30]OB[5]C[Hightime [2d\]: he is the only real pro from Europe
stopblitz [7d\]: this is right or he got his pro same way lkike alex and sveta
Hightime [2d\]: all others are honorific pros
stopblitz [7d\]: like *
kimball [?\]: c10 might end up as a wasted move
]
;W[fi]WL[30]OW[5]C[babyface [1d\]: dont u have a life??? girl??
]
;B[fj]BL[30]OB[5]C[SolidSnake [2d\]: weakest pro is an american astronaut
babyface [1d\]: boy?? whatever??
SolidSnake [2d\]: he got an honorific rank of 2p
unatari [2k\]: amazing how kgs 1d thinks he has a right to call out a professionals merit
]
;W[gj]WL[30]OW[5]C[Ranye [7k\]: how can i recieve honor pro title?
Hightime [2d\]: stopblitz : he isn't honorific, he got pro by taking the exam
SolidSnake [2d\]: for being first to play in space
]
;B[fk]BL[30]OB[5]C[stopblitz [7d\]: i see
]
;W[gk]WL[30]OW[5]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: amazing how kgs 2k thinks go ranks correlate with skill of argument
]
;B[ei]BL[30]OB[5]C[Arcola [5d?\]: haha
]
;W[hh]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[dk]BL[30]OB[5]C[Arcola [5d?\]: so messy
]
;W[dl]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[el]BL[30]OB[5]C[tiegame [-\]: oup's
Hightime [2d\]: but anyway, he lost to Dinerchtein at the EGC
]
;W[cl]WL[30]OW[5]C[hurg [7k\]: b10
Denniskutl [2d\]: uh c8
Elscouta [2k\]: b10 fails
Moon9 [1d\]: no way
hurg [7k\]: Yes, in hindsight, it does
]
;B[ci]BL[30]OB[5]C[Trevoke [7k?\]: Make eyes! Make eyes! 
kuikentje [2d\]: Catalin won the game against Dinerchtein
kuikentje [2d\]: but lost the EGC
SolidSnake [2d\]: how far could dinerchtein go as p in your opinion??
GoIsBoring [1d\]: catalin is cool
tiegame [-\]: ko
Hightime [2d\]: Dinerchtein  is the European champion
geocaplan [2d\]: SolidSnake that was a Nihon Kiin amatuer 2 dan diploma
]
;W[fl]WL[30]OW[5]C[geocaplan [2d\]: not pro
SolidSnake [2d\]: ah
SolidSnake [2d\]: i c
writer [1k?\]: pop goes the tiger
SolidSnake [2d\]: catalin is very nice person
]
;B[ek]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[dj]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ej]BL[30]OB[5]C[SolidSnake [2d\]: way he reviews makes it seem easy
]
;W[bj]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[bi]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ak]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[bg]BL[30]OB[5]C[Moon9 [1d\]: this can be seki??
unatari [2k\]: um, breakfast is pro...he moved up to 3d in the past year
juj: someone's getting hurt here
unatari [2k\]: seriously...you people are rude
stopblitz [7d\]: ah?
Hightime [2d\]: ?
SolidSnake [2d\]: ?
Salt: unatari, 3p?
stopblitz [7d\]: alex didnt pass the exsm
ufhz824r [6k\]: w dies it seems
]
;W[bb]WL[30]OW[4]C[stopblitz [7d\]: he was 8 grup insei
stopblitz [7d\]: or 7 
stopblitz [7d\]: in korea
]
;B[be]BL[30]OB[5]C[stopblitz [7d\]: not close to be a pro
play234 [-\]: where 10 is the lowest group?
Moon9 [1d\]: yeap) it is
Hightime [2d\]: he was promoted to pro because of his work in Europe promoting Go
Moon9 [1d\]: yes
SolidSnake [2d\]: whos the youngest high dan on kgs? i assume kghin?
stopblitz [7d\]: hmm
Moon9 [1d\]: or artem
Sunesi [16k?\]: how high does one have to be to be a "high dan"?
DnFBlitz [1k\]: still dinerstein is pro
misjoe [3k?\]: most EU pros were promoted... Catalin is definitely an exception
onfire [5d\]: surely kghin
CBlue [1k?\]: the korean go association offers promotions up to i think 5p on honorary basis for promoting go in the west
Trevoke [7k?\]: 5d and above is high dan
pls: i'm back
Trevoke [7k?\]: 4d is the special "TheCaptain" rank
moonscar [-\]: well i know a 16 yo girl who can beat some dans giving 5 handis so she's pretty high.
misjoe [3k?\]: Catalin got to 5d by merit, IIRC
SolidSnake [2d\]: 5D is middle dan still imo
GoIsBoring [1d\]: kghin is nice
SolidSnake [2d\]: 6-7d is already high dan
Eleveneyes [4d\]: 4d owns
Trevoke [7k?\]: 1d to 3d is "low dan" but they can still beat 70% of the go-playing population if not better :)
]
;W[dh]WL[30]OW[2]C[unatari [2k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Breakfast seriously you people need to do research before slandering peoples EARNED accompishments
pls: d11
]
;B[di]BL[30]OB[5]C[Moon9 [1d\]: isnt black has two eyes?
babyface [1d\]: i think all of u should visit gp asap
SanKingTim [7d\]: thank you
hurg [7k\]: Hurg got it right! :D
zchen [7d\]: thx
pls: i said d11
Beeko31k [2k\]: Lol i want to see the resr
CBlue [1k?\]: nice game, at first it looked good for w, then it changed at some weird point?
notMe [1d\]: why b18?
Beeko31k [2k\]: *rest
Beeko31k [2k\]: What would black have done?
stopblitz [7d\]: unatari 
stopblitz [7d\]: so whay did it say ?
])
(;W[go]C[White has to defend the lower side first]
;B[bs]
;W[hq]LB[iq:A]C[Now the result is about equal, but I prefer Black's position, because White's lower side still has some adjis - attachment at A, for example]))
