(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[60]OT[3x20 byo-yomi]
PW[BigTicket]PB[roln111]WR[9d]BR[8d]DT[2009-08-25]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[roln111 [8d\]: hi
BigTicket [9d\]: hi
]RE[W+7.50]
;B[qd]BL[44.492]
;W[dp]WL[57.797]
;B[pq]BL[29.808]
;W[dc]WL[54.657]
;B[de]BL[27.243]
;W[ce]WL[52.218]
;B[dd]BL[25.401]
;W[cd]WL[50.931]
;B[ec]BL[24.373]
;W[cf]WL[50.081]
;B[db]BL[23.263]
;W[cc]WL[49.298]
;B[jc]BL[22.499]
;W[od]WL[44.742]
;B[md]BL[20.9]
;W[of]WL[39.787]
;B[qg]BL[19.936]
;W[oh]WL[34.356]
;B[fd]BL[18.238]
;W[qi]WL[31.833]
;B[qo]BL[15.827]
;W[kq]WL[28.073]
;B[fq]BL[0.643]
;W[eq]WL[19.433]
;B[fp]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[dn]WL[18.74]
;B[iq]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[nq]WL[17.885]
;B[jo]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[oo]WL[12.693]
;B[lp]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[lq]WL[10.384]
;B[np]BL[20]OB[3]
(;W[ko]WL[20]OW[3]C[White's plan is very nice here -]
(;B[mp]BL[20]OB[3]C[It's passive -]
;W[ip]WL[20]OW[3]
(;B[kp]BL[20]OB[3]C[A very bad answer, which makes White stronger -]
;W[jq]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[jp]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[hq]WL[20]OW[3]C[White's shape is too good now]
;B[ir]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[hr]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[io]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[hp]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[mq]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[mr]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[nr]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[ls]WL[20]OW[3]LB[oq:A]C[White can escape at A later]
(;B[fn]BL[20]OB[3]LB[pi:A]TR[ko]C[Black wants to cut at A, but the marked stone works as a nice ladder-breaker  -]
;W[qm]WL[20]OW[3]C[Now Black's wall is useless and he is far behind.
No chances for Black later.]
;B[qk]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[ro]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[qp]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[ol]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[ri]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[rj]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[pm]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[pl]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[ql]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[qn]WL[20]OW[3]C[Shana [2d\]: there should totally be a copyright on smiley face... 
]
;B[qj]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[rh]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[pi]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[qh]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[ph]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[pg]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[rg]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[si]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[oj]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[pj]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[pk]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[oi]WL[20]OW[3]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: im sure there is
]
;B[nl]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[om]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[ok]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[nm]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[pj]BL[20]OB[3]C[Mihan [3k\]: like anyone cares if an avatar breaks a copyright law anyway. 
]
;W[rl]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[rk]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[sk]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[rm]BL[20]OB[3]C[Violence [-\]: hehe
]
;W[sl]WL[20]OW[3]C[Violence [-\]: the ladder works
]
;B[ni]BL[20]OB[3]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: what ladder?
]
;W[rn]WL[20]OW[3]C[GOgal120 [4k\]: Q6
Violence [-\]: the O10 one
GOgal120 [4k\]: too late
]
;B[nh]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[og]WL[20]OW[3]C[Goreon [1d\]: the smiley ha too normal eyes for smokin a joint
]
;B[mj]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[mc]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[lc]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[ld]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[me]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[nc]WL[20]OW[3]C[Mihan [3k\]: You dont know what smuley's normal eyes look like. 
]
;B[lb]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[mf]WL[20]OW[3]C[just9x9 [-\]: the yinyang is one eye, the flower another. those two black dots are just the holes :)
]
;B[le]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[qc]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[rc]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[re]WL[20]OW[2]C[PooH [4k\]: so roln is getting crushed?
]
;B[qe]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[rd]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[pc]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[qb]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[pd]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[pb]WL[20]OW[2]C[Sakae [-\]: ye
]
;B[oc]BL[20]OB[3]C[MoonCrash [5k\]: not great start for roln
]
;W[qf]WL[20]OW[2]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: why not p18 first?
]
;B[rf]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[sg]WL[20]OW[2]C[Sakae [-\]: :D
]
;B[pf]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[sf]WL[20]OW[2]C[Sakae [-\]: fail
ZothOmmog [4k\]: ah
Sakae [-\]: or
Sakae [-\]: ok I guess~
Lychee [4k\]: ouch
ZothOmmog [4k\]: p15
]
;B[ob]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[qf]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[rb]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[dl]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[cq]BL[20]OB[2]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: mice 
]
;W[er]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[co]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[do]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[bn]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[cn]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[bo]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[bm]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[br]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[di]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[eg]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[df]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[ef]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[fi]WL[20]OW[2]C[PooH [4k\]: f4 going to die ?
]
;B[ej]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[ei]WL[20]OW[2]
(;B[gh]BL[20]OB[2]C[roln111 [8d\]: thanks
]
;W[lf]WL[20]OW[2]C[BigTicket [9d\]: :)
]
;B[kf]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[ke]WL[20]OW[2]C[Goreon [1d\]: f4 is not of interest now
]
;B[kd]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[kg]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[jf]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[ml]WL[20]OW[2]C[wndds: really
]
;B[lg]BL[20]OB[2]C[wndds: jump
w1zzle [8k\]: well of course it is, the question is to what degree
w1zzle [8k\]: ^_^
]
;W[mg]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[lh]BL[20]OB[2]C[Julian [4d\]: B got mauled in the fuseki. :)
Goreon [1d\]: nitpicker
]
;W[gn]WL[20]OW[2]C[w1zzle [8k\]: true
PooH [4k\]: there it goes
]
;B[hj]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[kk]WL[20]OW[2]C[just9x9 [-\]: g6 seems interested in f4 though
]
;B[ki]BL[20]OB[2]C[Goreon [1d\]: h10 not
]
;W[oq]WL[20]OW[2]C[Julian [4d\]: It could be bluffing. :
]
;B[op]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[or]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[pr]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[ns]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[rp]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[po]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[pp]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[ji]WL[20]OW[2]C[Ephemere [2d\]: interesting carpenter square O_O
]
;B[jh]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[kj]WL[20]OW[2]C[just9x9 [-\]: yes and h10 calling the bluff
]
;B[lj]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[ii]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[gi]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[gk]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[gm]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[hn]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[hm]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[im]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[in]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[fo]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[hk]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[il]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[hl]BL[20]OB[2]C[just9x9 [-\]: i never get those carpenter squares. after s2 its t2 for ko?
]
;W[nd]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[bl]BL[20]OB[2]C[Ephemere [2d\]: ask at least a 5d
]
;W[am]WL[20]OW[2]C[Sakae [-\]: lives without ko
Julian [4d\]: In this case there's too much aji outside for that. :)
lastmonk [6k\]: l5 safety
Sakae [-\]: check it at senseis or something
ZothOmmog [4k\]: so l5 for w
]
;B[dk]BL[20]OB[2]C[w1zzle [8k\]: w exuding strength
ZothOmmog [4k\]: how many points
Ephemere [2d\]: all i can say here is that with l5 it's no pb ^^
]
;W[el]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[fj]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[dj]WL[20]OW[2]C[lastmonk [6k\]: 9d not bad eh?
]
;B[ek]BL[20]OB[2]C[porcinet [1d\]: who is big ticket ?
]
;W[ck]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[cl]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[bk]WL[20]OW[2]C[Ephemere [2d\]: lol
lastmonk [6k\]: 0.0
Ephemere [2d\]: g10 
wndds: e9 too early?
lastmonk [6k\]: yeah why didn't g10
]
;B[fl]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[en]WL[20]OW[2]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: 9d is ok. but its no 10d
]
;B[fm]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[ho]WL[20]OW[2]C[w1zzle [8k\]: g5
]
;B[cj]BL[20]OB[2]C[lastmonk [6k\]: ya tartrate had 15d graph -__-
Yurial [6k\]: a6 sente?
]
;W[bj]WL[20]OW[2]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: c12
]
;B[ch]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[dh]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[dg]BL[20]OB[2]C[Sakae [-\]: roln is desperat~
]
;W[cg]WL[20]OW[2]C[wndds: yes tartrate can give 9d 6 stones
]
;B[cb]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[cs]WL[20]OW[2]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: probably. isnt he a 7p?
]
;B[bs]BL[20]OB[2]C[Julian [4d\]: Haha. :)
just10k [1k?\]: then tartrate is 15d
]
;W[bb]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[ba]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[ab]WL[20]OW[2]C[Sakae [-\]: Zoth :o
wndds: tartrate is not pro. he doesnt play for money
]
;B[jj]BL[20]OB[2]C[Yurial [6k\]: t2 important?
Sakae [-\]: it's not that much of a difference
MoonCrash [5k\]: he was playing last week
Sakae [-\]: between 9d and 7p
Sakae [-\]: as 6 stones
]
;W[ij]WL[20]OW[2]C[just10k [1k?\]: no
Yurial [6k\]: or q3 alive?
]
;B[lk]BL[20]OB[2]C[Sakae [-\]: q3 lives
just10k [1k?\]: I doubt a 7p can even give a 9d 2 stones
]
;W[km]WL[20]OW[2]C[Ephemere [2d\]: b is not in a bad position... everything's on yose (so he lost but...)
cwarren [-\]: depends on the 9d
ZothOmmog [4k\]: why not?
]
;B[kl]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[jl]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[jk]BL[20]OB[2]C[Ephemere [2d\]: wow!
just10k [1k?\]: because skill is not too different
]
;W[ik]WL[20]OW[2]C[lastmonk [6k\]: well it's true the handi isn't linear...
cwarren [-\]: tartrate couldn't even give himself 1 stone
]
;B[kn]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[ll]WL[20]OW[2]C[cwarren [-\]: and that's 7p vs 9d
]
;B[kk]BL[20]OB[2]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: but 7p is much more skilled than 9d
Ephemere [2d\]: b ahead !
]
;W[ln]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[lo]BL[20]OB[2]C[just10k [1k?\]: maybe 1stone different at most
shaochin [5k\]: 7p can easily give 9d 4 stones
]
;W[jm]WL[20]OW[2]C[PooH [4k\]: zothOmmog.. most of kgs 9d are pros
]
;B[mn]BL[20]OB[2]C[GOgal120 [4k\]: ko
]
;W[lm]WL[20]OW[2]C[GOgal120 [4k\]: :)
GOgal120 [4k\]: ah no
shaochin [5k\]: unless kgs 9p is pro
]
;B[fh]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[ci]WL[20]OW[2]C[shaochin [5k\]: i mean 9d 
just10k [1k?\]: professional 9p will have trouble beating professional 1p with 2 stones
Julian [4d\]: W not getting o9 would be sad.
Sakae [-\]: kgs 9d is kinda pro~
]
;B[nb]BL[20]OB[2]
;W[gj]WL[20]OW[2]C[shaochin [5k\]: i don't know if kgs 9d is pro or  not
Borat [1d\]: i'd like to see some 7p give himountain 4 handi stones o_O
lastmonk [6k\]: 9d kgs like 6p ish?
Ephemere [2d\]: g10 sure hurts...
ZothOmmog [4k\]: g10?
mcw85 [7k\]: More like 10p...
lastmonk [6k\]: it's not that big of a disparity
w1zzle [8k\]: from what i understand, some players 7d or stronger (kgs) have the capability of playing as 1p
Totti10 [3k\]: its over 9000 for sure
]
;B[hi]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[ih]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[ig]BL[20]OB[1]C[w1zzle [8k\]: so it is a looser system so to speak
Cassis0 [5d\]: I know many 9d kgs who are pros
]
;W[fk]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[ne]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[oe]WL[20]OW[2]C[PooH [4k\]: and vick said he had/has new pro players who beat him 7p so pro ranks doesnt tell allways that much about strenght
lastmonk [6k\]: which?
wndds: professional rankings are not respresentation of strength
]
;B[ps]BL[20]OB[1]C[Ezayk [?\]: who
porcinet [1d\]: big nose is kicked
]
;W[mb]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[ma]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[sb]WL[20]OW[2]C[Sankato [7d\]: wao
lastmonk [6k\]: not disbelief just curiosity 
]
;B[ra]BL[20]OB[1]C[Ephemere [2d\]: b fucked up with the g10 thing...
Sankato [7d\]: long time no see Bigticket
]
;W[pe]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[pa]BL[20]OB[1]C[MoonCrash [5k\]: im 9p but kgs ratings are tough, here im 5k
]
;W[sp]WL[20]OW[2]C[mach1 [-\]: watch the language please
]
;B[sq]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[so]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[rq]BL[20]OB[1]C[Ephemere [2d\]: oups, sorry
]
;W[nk]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[nj]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[sc]WL[20]OW[2]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: theoreticaly 9d amateur is equal to  7p
Ephemere [2d\]: b made a mistake ^^
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b failed up with g10
wndds: 1p usuallys stronger than average pros
]
;B[an]BL[20]OB[1]C[derp [1k\]: why h11?
]
;W[dm]WL[20]OW[2]C[wndds: also age is inversely proportional to strength
]
;B[ds]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[cp]WL[20]OW[2]C[wndds: after like 30
]
;B[bp]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[es]WL[20]OW[2]C[WorkerBee [10k\]: Doesn't it vary though?
]
;B[os]BL[20]OB[1]C[MoonCrash [5k\]: people over 100 have a distinct disadvantage
]
;W[nr]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[dr]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[dq]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[cr]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[hh]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[hg]BL[20]OB[1]C[just9x9 [-\]: you should get komi according to age difference
wndds: i looked at records of pros over 50 years old in korea
]
;W[nn]WL[20]OW[2]C[ennui [6k\]: no they don't, shusaku has been undedeated since he turned 100
wndds: they are like 5 and 50
wndds: 5 wins and 50 losses
]
;B[mk]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[mh]WL[20]OW[2]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: people over 800 have a distinct advantage
just10k [1k?\]: yeah they don't die
Sakae [-\]: ye
kukulis4 [2d\]: g10 winning move ?
]
;B[jn]BL[20]OB[1]C[lastmonk [6k\]: lol
Sakae [-\]: shusaku died as 36
Sakae [-\]: I think
Cassis0 [5d\]: abraham should pwns at go then
]
;W[no]WL[20]OW[2]C[Ephemere [2d\]: yeah g10 win the game
]
;B[bc]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[bd]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[nl]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[mm]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[mo]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[mi]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[li]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[eh]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[nk]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[ac]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[eb]BL[20]OB[1]C[derp [1k\]: ephemere: why h11 and not f9?
]
;W[sd]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[qa]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[nf]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[je]BL[20]OB[1]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: because he would die
just10k [1k?\]: big ticket pro?
]
;W[em]WL[20]OW[2]C[WorkerBee [10k\]: B has around 60 points?
]
;B[fg]BL[20]OB[1]C[WorkerBee [10k\]: um, W I mean
]
;W[aa]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[ca]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[]BL[20]OB[1]TW[bc][ad][ae][be][se][af][bf][pf][rf][ag][bg][qg][rg][ah][bh][ch][sh][ai][bi][ri][aj][cj][ej][fj][sj][ak][dk][ek][al][bl][cl][cm][pm][rm][sm][on][pn][sn][eo][go][ep][fp][gp][fq][gq][iq][fr][gr][ir][jr][kr][lr][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ms]TB[da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][na][oa][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][kb][pb][qb][fc][gc][hc][ic][kc][qc][ed][gd][hd][id][jd][ld][ee][fe][ge][he][ie][ke][ff][gf][hf][if][gg][jg][kg][kh][kj][ao][ko][ap][aq][bq][qq][ar][qr][rr][sr][as][cs][qs][rs][ss]C[Ephemere [2d\]: because w would come into b moyo with e15 f14 aji
wndds: w probably not pro
BigTicket [9d\]: Thanks
roln111 [8d\]: thx
PooH [4k\]: thank you :)
lastmonk [6k\]: thanks guys :D
Hometet [9k\]: w is pro ... i checked him at go sensations.com
Firststep [11k\]: bigticket end winning streak
Hometet [9k\]: look the real name
Hometet [9k\]: ;D
derp [1k\]: okay, I didn't see anything that worked but you're probably right
WorkerBee [10k\]: You mean his pro name at the Nihon Ki-in is "Bigticket"?
Hometet [9k\]: no his name is Johon lee
Hometet [9k\]: ... dumb
Hometet [9k\]: cya
lastmonk [6k\]: parents had a sense of humour
Sakae [-\]: korean~
lastmonk [6k\]: i cant figure out the f9 problem either >.<
])
(;B[hh]BL[20]OB[2]))
(;B[pi]
;W[ph]
;B[qh]
;W[pj]
;B[oi]
;W[ni]
;B[oj]
;W[ok]
;B[nj]
;W[mj]
;B[nk]
;W[nl]
;B[mk]
;W[lk]
;B[ml]
;W[mm]
;B[ll]
;W[kl]
;B[lm]
;W[ln]
;B[km]
;W[jm]TR[ko]C[L5 is very clever here])
(;B[qk]C[Any way, it's better to play on the right and use the wall for attacking]))
(;B[hp]C[Hane is much better here]))
(;B[mq]
;W[mr]
;B[mp]
;W[kp]
;B[nr]C[In my opinion, this is the best way for Black]))
(;W[op]
;B[oq]
;W[mp]
;B[no]
;W[mo]
;B[nn]
;W[mn]
;B[nr]
;W[mq]
;B[nm]C[Black wanted to get this result]))
