(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.50]TM[300]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[superior]PB[kghin]WR[9d]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-13]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[kghin [7d\]: hi
superior [9d?\]: hi
]RE[W+1.50]
;B[qd]BL[295.026]
;B[oc]BL[293.254]
;W[dp]WL[297.737]
;B[pq]BL[287.418]
;W[po]WL[290.378]
;B[cd]BL[275.854]
;W[qi]WL[278.854]C[seppy [?\]: who is w?
]
;B[qm]BL[257.215]
;W[ro]WL[274.162]
;B[np]BL[250.684]
;W[on]WL[269.937]
;B[pj]BL[244.62]
;W[pi]WL[267.001]
;B[qj]BL[243.052]
;W[oi]WL[264.909]
;B[ol]BL[230.159]
;W[lq]WL[253.469]
;B[lp]BL[219.59]
;W[kp]WL[242.395]
;B[lo]BL[216.606]
;W[oq]WL[239.759]
;B[op]BL[211.977]
;W[pp]WL[237.481]C[gt0: a 9d?
]
;B[or]BL[203.74]
;W[qq]WL[235.814]
;B[nq]BL[202.461]
;W[qr]WL[234.857]
;B[fq]BL[190.258]
;W[iq]WL[230.264]
;B[cq]BL[183.313]C[wotan123 [2d\]: d3
]
;W[dq]WL[195.55]
;B[cp]BL[181.738]C[IceSpectre [7k\]: so many new strong players arrived at kgs :)
wotan123 [2d\]: good for us
IceSpectre [7k\]: yeah 
]
;W[do]WL[177.151]C[mcw85 [7k\]: W is Cho Chikun.
]
;B[dr]BL[176.73]
;W[er]WL[176.285]C[Woodstock [-\]: probably just old ones with new accounts
]
;B[cr]BL[161.376]C[wotan123 [2d\]: may be
mcw85 [7k\]: 1k? Beats five dan having three stones and gets bumped to 9d?
]
;W[eq]WL[144.448]C[marfg [5k\]: no w is spirit of go seigen..
]
;B[cn]BL[154.431]
;W[ko]WL[139.243]
;B[ln]BL[138.807]
;W[mm]WL[136.048]
;B[mk]BL[131.387]
;W[kl]WL[113.943]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Go Seigen alive?
JustBeaTit [5k\]: yes
]
;B[lm]BL[118.485]C[Bogin [?\]: He *gave* 3 Stones mcw85...
hehe2009 [1k\]: he gave 3 handy
]
;W[ll]WL[104.51]C[Cunning [3k\]: w has a nice attack
]
;B[ml]BL[116.52]C[hehe2009 [1k\]: sry
]
;W[nm]WL[92.675]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Ahh, he gave three stones.
mcw85 [7k\]: Sory.
LionelLee [7k\]: he beat bangboss giving 2 stones
]
;B[jm]BL[109.409]C[wotan123 [2d\]: yes
]
;W[lj]WL[81.467]C[wotan123 [2d\]: and it was impressive
Bogin [?\]: so he is probably really in the 7d-9d range
wotan123 [2d\]: i think so
hehe2009 [1k\]: b flaoting
LionelLee [7k\]: white is whose superior
]
;B[mj]BL[83.851]
;W[mi]WL[78.707]C[polonistka [-\]: he's probably in 9d-9d range
mcw85 [7k\]: I bet that 2k was crying. :-P
mcw85 [7k\]: That's some range...
BenSenTen [?\]: who is this w?
JustBeaTit [5k\]: the first two black moves shows that kghin has respect ^^
mcw85 [7k\]: Cho Chikun.
]
;B[ni]BL[60.341]C[mcw85 [7k\]: How so?
]
;W[nh]WL[66.767]C[wotan123 [2d\]: i doubt it
BenSenTen [?\]: maybe is himountain
]
;B[lk]BL[56.558]C[Cunning [3k\]: mcw85, i said Winless is humble, i cant say the same from superior :D
]
;W[kk]WL[61.348]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Haha.
]
;B[li]BL[49.131]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, the names are quite opposite.
Tosoko [1d\]: w is good player
]
;W[nj]WL[56.005]
;B[kj]BL[46.631]C[BenSenTen [?\]: i guess is himountain
]
;W[nl]WL[51.415]C[Cunning [3k\]: good, definiely
Cunning [3k\]: but not humble :D
]
;B[jj]BL[39.488]C[petition [5k\]: kghin is my favourite kgser
hehe2009 [1k\]: game over
]
;W[nk]WL[39.575]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Not himountain.
]
;B[lj]BL[37.713]C[BenSenTen [?\]: why not?
hehe2009 [1k\]: b wins
mcw85 [7k\]: Why would himountain take a new name?
]
;W[qf]WL[29.39]C[sensemaker [4d\]: no.. i am your favourite
Cunning [3k\]: my favourite KGSer is Breakfast and artem
BenSenTen [?\]: because he lost 1 game
Novalys [2k\]: R14 ???
mcw85 [7k\]: So?
Novalys [2k\]: There's an open corner at C16
Novalys [2k\]: this is slow
ToDie [3d\]: r14 weird...
mcw85 [7k\]: W is clearly tartrate.
]
;B[dn]BL[15.319]C[Barcelona [3d?\]: kid next to kghin seems happy
BenSenTen [?\]: himountain n superior has similar meaning
]
;W[ci]WL[20.046]C[expat [-\]: r14 is defending against black hane at s11
marfg [5k\]: w not seems like so strong ...
BenSenTen [?\]: suiperior can bear to lose a game
Cunning [3k\]: r14 not weird, imagine b play r13
]
;B[cg]BL[3.996]C[expat [-\]: if b can play that as sente he may live
wotan123 [2d\]: for me w seems damn strong
BenSenTen [?\]: i bet w is himountain
Adnose [7k\]: tartrate was very strong when kgs was more weack
]
;W[ei]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[fr]BL[30]OB[5]C[mcw85 [7k\]: I bet he is not.
hehe2009 [1k\]: cheaky b
expat [-\]: f2 is good
mcw85 [7k\]: I'd bet your life he is not.
]
;W[fp]WL[30]OW[5]C[Cunning [3k\]: b has correct attitude
]
;B[gp]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gq]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[fo]BL[30]OB[5]C[Tosoko [1d\]: ko
petition [5k\]: the fear of this sort of thing is why i would always add a move to that joseki as w
BenSenTen [?\]: g2
]
;W[gr]WL[30]OW[5]C[expat [-\]: then you will stay weak, petition :)
mcw85 [7k\]: I agree petition, but I am sure it is slow.
]
;B[fs]BL[30]OB[5]C[wotan123 [2d\]: kghin plays without fear, typically strong kid style
artifice2 [8k\]: eeee
]
;W[hp]WL[30]OW[5]C[Cunning [3k\]: i disagree
]
;B[go]BL[30]OB[5]C[LionelLee [7k\]: cant say much whether is superior humble or not
LionelLee [7k\]: maybe he just doesnt want to be labeled as a sandbagger
petition [5k\]: isnt being aware of weakness important?
massilia [1d\]: E5
Barcelona [3d?\]: easy to learn work and play?
]
;W[gs]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ep]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[eo]WL[30]OW[5]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, but you can't cover all weaknesses.
LionelLee [7k\]: ko?
]
;B[en]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[eg]WL[30]OW[5]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ko
Cunning [3k\]: Lionel, ur right we never know people's attitudes
]
;B[dh]BL[30]OB[5]C[Kiserati [11k\]: hmm
LionelLee [7k\]: haha yeap like ur nick
]
;W[di]WL[30]OW[5]C[Novalys [2k\]: crude
Cunning [3k\]: xD
]
;B[eh]BL[30]OB[5]C[Cunning [3k\]: that's right
]
;W[fh]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[fg]BL[30]OB[5]C[LionelLee [7k\]: hi novalys.... hasnt seen u for a long time
Novalys [2k\]: c14
]
;W[gh]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ef]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ff]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[il]WL[30]OW[5]C[Novalys [2k\]: hey lionel, and it's normal because i'm working ^^
]
;B[ik]BL[30]OB[5]C[LionelLee [7k\]: ^^... sigh im still a student
marfg [5k\]: w is 2k ...
]
;W[jl]WL[30]OW[5]C[Kiserati [11k\]: what is w doing?
expat [-\]: black is gambling
]
;B[jn]BL[30]OB[5]C[expat [-\]: bad mistake
mcw85 [7k\]: This game looks tough for W.
Draxt [7k\]: novalys no bad please ;)
Draxt [7k\]: bad word...
hehe2009 [1k\]: strange why did w not E14 ?
]
;W[gl]WL[30]OW[5]C[wotan123 [2d\]: are there good mistakes?
Novalys [2k\]: wjere dod o sau a nad wprd .
expat [-\]: just "less bad", wotan :P
]
;B[gj]BL[30]OB[5]C[Novalys [2k\]: oups
daladim [1k\]: w not 2k marfg, look at his games
Novalys [2k\]: where did i say a bad word
BenSenTen [?\]: w weaker than himountain...
Draxt [7k\]: "work"
poirette [1d\]: you talked about work maybe
]
;W[fj]WL[30]OW[5]C[Novalys [2k\]: ahah ^^
LionelLee [7k\]: lol
poirette [1d\]: hehe
]
;B[gk]BL[30]OB[5]C[Cunning [3k\]: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=fury+village+theme&emb=1&aq=f# (the pc versionis just amazing!!!)
]
;W[fl]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[fk]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[el]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ek]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[dl]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[dk]BL[30]OB[5]C[Novalys [2k\]: bensenten i doubt you could juge the difference between two 9d
Barcelona [3d?\]: why j9?
]
;W[in]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[im]BL[30]OB[5]C[wotan123 [2d\]: agree expat ;-)
]
;W[hm]WL[30]OW[5]C[BenSenTen [?\]: i also doubt what u r doubting...nova
expat [-\]: barce black didn't want to be forced, but iit looks like a bad idea
]
;B[io]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ho]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hn]BL[30]OB[5]C[LionelLee [7k\]: doubts~
]
;W[gn]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[fn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[in]WL[30]OW[5]C[hehe2009 [1k\]: hug
hehe2009 [1k\]: e
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
Zeit [11k\]: uh...
Cunning [3k\]: i need a hug
]
;B[kq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[hn]WL[30]OW[5]C[Cunning [3k\]: its good for the heart
wotan123 [2d\]: double hm
Javaness [2d\]: *hug*
LionelLee [7k\]: 2 weak black grps
hehe2009 [1k\]: hug youself ;-)
LionelLee [7k\]: can both live?
Cunning [3k\]: thx java :D
]
;B[kr]BL[30]OB[5]C[hehe2009 [1k\]: r
]
;W[ck]WL[30]OW[5]C[Novalys [2k\]: java doesn't want me to hug him *-*
High55 [6d\]: w win
Cunning [3k\]: why ;O
JustBeaTit [5k\]: h9
Kiserati [11k\]: hmm w's plan seems a bit far fetched
Novalys [2k\]: Because he's a mean squirrel
LionelLee [7k\]: wise 11k
]
;B[jg]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gf]WL[30]OW[5]C[Cunning [3k\]: hehe
LionelLee [7k\]: lol so why do u think it is far feteched?
wotan123 [2d\]: seems w has now the momentum
]
;B[gd]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[cc]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[cl]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[bl]WL[30]OW[5]C[BenSenTen [?\]: if u can remember, himountain's stones scattered instead of crowded locally like this game..
petition [5k\]: having these numbers next to our name makes for a funny sort of culture...
Kiserati [11k\]: indeed
]
;B[cm]BL[30]OB[5]C[hehe2009 [1k\]: c8 was jkinf of b.. ?
LionelLee [7k\]: lol yea... im bad i know ><
]
;W[bj]WL[30]OW[5]C[Cunning [3k\]: kgs is a world of its own, one that i hate but am addicted to
]
;B[dc]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[dd]WL[30]OW[5]C[expat [-\]: ko at e4 will be serious for B now
mcw85 [7k\]: Better than crack, I say.
High55 [6d\]: j2 ko
Nafaltar: how can you hate a world filled with "Go" not "war"?
Cunning [3k\]: does that sound controversial?
LeFourBe [6d\]: E1 seem sente ? :)
]
;B[ec]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[cf]WL[30]OW[5]C[expat [-\]: yeah
]
;B[ce]BL[30]OB[5]C[wotan123 [2d\]: who say go not war?
LionelLee [7k\]: some1 did linked go with racism
]
;W[bf]WL[30]OW[5]C[Nafaltar: cunning just said he hated kgs ;)
LionelLee [7k\]: the struggles between black and white
petition [5k\]: so k5 is not ugent because of the ko?
]
;B[df]BL[30]OB[5]C[Cunning [3k\]: i dont hate kgs, i hate being addicted to it :D
]
;W[bg]WL[30]OW[5]C[wotan123 [2d\]: i think he loves kgs, but use some romantic expression
Nafaltar: fair enough =)
Stinky [3k\]: f7 eye
Cunning [3k\]: "im addicted to you!"
]
;B[fp]BL[30]OB[5]C[BenSenTen [?\]: w lost obviously, while himountain beated kghin middle of the game
Cunning [3k\]: knwo the song xD
LionelLee [7k\]: oh
]
;W[jq]WL[30]OW[5]C[expat [-\]: f4 was double sente
LionelLee [7k\]: kghin refuses to fight the ko
HandA [1k\]: KGS is toxic
petition [5k\]: ah, thanks stinky
]
;B[jp]BL[30]OB[5]C[petition [5k\]: keeping up on kibitz and watching the game is too much
]
;W[lr]WL[30]OW[5]C[Nafaltar: prolly heard it but im not really good with music :/
LionelLee [7k\]: the ko surely favours black... or mayube im not good enough to read it out
]
;B[ks]BL[30]OB[5]C[ViperDee [4k\]: hey get rythm, when you got the blues
]
;W[jr]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[kn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[js]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jo]BL[30]OB[5]C[Cunning [3k\]: h2 gote life
FraTeoX [4k\]: boom
FraTeoX [4k\]: h2
]
;W[kp]WL[30]OW[5]C[BenSenTen [?\]: nova, still there??
]
;B[ko]BL[30]OB[5]C[hehe2009 [1k\]: f7
Stinky [3k\]: h2 f7 miai
ViperDee [4k\]: hallo joan of arc
]
;W[ie]WL[30]OW[5]C[Rikyu [1k\]: w wasting threats
Hutoshi [7d\]: w sente
LionelLee [7k\]: !!!
]
;B[hk]BL[30]OB[5]C[hehe2009 [1k\]: really ?
High55 [6d\]: ooops
bobstep [2k?\]: viper, just sitting here thinking about what song to learn, thanks for the idea
High55 [6d\]: b gote here
High55 [6d\]: no good
]
;W[hl]WL[30]OW[5]C[LionelLee [7k\]: hmmm cant read it out
HandA [1k\]: H2 not kill?
]
;B[ic]BL[30]OB[5]C[HandA [1k\]: wtf
Cunning [3k\]: h2 f7 not miai, b h2 sente
expat [-\]: h2 h1
HandA [1k\]: *sorry
Stinky [3k\]: f7 foo
BuhariEX [2k\]: h2 kills...
LionelLee [7k\]: o
LionelLee [7k\]: f7 damm
mcw85 [7k\]: H2 gote.
flutinx [1d\]: h2 h1
LionelLee [7k\]: oops
Stinky [3k\]: noone sees the other eye
]
;W[kf]WL[30]OW[5]C[Stinky [3k\]: lol
expat [-\]: should b eable to read 1 move ahead guys :)
mcw85 [7k\]: I see it.
JustBeaTit [5k\]: b will die in the center so w+r
ViperDee [4k\]: i see it
Barcelona [3d?\]: 1ply is hard 
mcw85 [7k\]: I spy it with my little eye.
horacelamb [4d\]: h2 h1 
]
;B[lg]BL[30]OB[5]C[ViperDee [4k\]: i think
Draxt [7k\]: black hé = 1 free point for white
]
;W[me]WL[30]OW[5]C[nevergivup [2k\]: black h2 them white h1
nevergivup [2k\]: done
nevergivup [2k\]: z
Draxt [7k\]: h2
Stinky [3k\]: b groups too strong
wotan123 [2d\]: i would play h2
LionelLee [7k\]: lol i spy with my little eye something blue
hehe2009 [1k\]: me too lol
Stinky [3k\]: h2 h1
]
;B[if]BL[30]OB[5]C[mcw85 [7k\]: h2 h1
High55 [6d\]: dude
BenSenTen [?\]: oh my goodness, b may die
]
;W[je]WL[30]OW[5]C[Stinky [3k\]: then j2 f7 miai
High55 [6d\]: even even game w is leading
]
;B[hi]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ge]WL[30]OW[5]C[Firebird [3k\]: that's the inherent danger of starting a game of go, Ben
]
;B[kg]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[hd]WL[30]OW[5]C[BuhariEX [2k\]: if black lives game over
]
;B[hc]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[bc]WL[30]OW[5]C[petition [5k\]: surely b lives...
Calis [1d\]: game over for who?
BenSenTen [?\]: b lives, game not over
expat [-\]: not really game over
Draxt [7k\]: isn't black allready alive?
Cunning [3k\]: yes
Cunning [3k\]: i think
expat [-\]: black is alive
BuhariEX [2k\]: cant r10 live?
]
;B[ri]BL[30]OB[5]C[daladim [1k\]: if game s over it s over for both
Calis [1d\]: let's see ^^
Eshelnah [11k\]: who know >> 
]
;W[rk]WL[30]OW[5]C[LionelLee [7k\]: black trying to answer ur question now buhari
Arakasi [3k\]: why b not H2 ? even if it's gote, it brings points...
mcw85 [7k\]: 1 point.
hehe2009 [1k\]: this is why w played R14
puppy430 [10k\]: hi
Stinky [3k\]: h2 nothing
massilia [1d\]: ko threats
puppy430 [10k\]: hi
BenSenTen [?\]: can be over to any of us if we exit
High55 [6d\]: hands up kghin
massilia [1d\]: w won't put a stone in H2 for a moment
mcw85 [7k\]: Hi, pup.
BuhariEX [2k\]: s8 ?
Cunning [3k\]: Stinky, explain. h2 sente and kills
High55 [6d\]: 9d is not soft tofu
puppy430 [10k\]: hey
mcw85 [7k\]: Mmm, tofu.
wotan123 [2d\]: why is h2 nothing?
]
;B[rh]BL[30]OB[4]C[Stinky [3k\]: h2 h1
mcw85 [7k\]: h2 h1
mcw85 [7k\]: j2 f7
Arakasi [3k\]: oh i see
puppy430 [10k\]: ?
Cunning [3k\]: i see
puppy430 [10k\]: ohhh
puppy430 [10k\]: igetit
mcw85 [7k\]: ;-)
Stinky [3k\]: sigh
expat [-\]: black could have nice endgame on the right here
]
;W[rg]WL[30]OW[4]C[expat [-\]: white says no :P
]
;B[pg]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[pf]WL[30]OW[4]C[puppy430 [10k\]: :)
ViperDee [4k\]: hallo doublelion
DoubleLion [2k\]: hi viper
]
;B[og]BL[30]OB[4]C[BuhariEX [2k\]: o13 
BenSenTen [?\]: b win if this group escape
]
;W[nf]WL[30]OW[4]C[BuhariEX [2k\]: yold ya, if black lives game over :P
BuhariEX [2k\]: told*
expat [-\]: if black dies, he destroyed all his endgame
]
;B[qh]BL[30]OB[4]C[HandA [1k\]: we all know
expat [-\]: by playing from the inside
cocaDJ [6d\]: tenuji
Yasguri [-\]: q16 ?
BenSenTen [?\]: yeah...
cocaDJ [6d\]: tenuki 
]
;W[qg]WL[30]OW[4]C[litlecolek [1d\]: s 8
]
;B[ph]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[rj]WL[30]OW[4]C[Draxt [7k\]: N12?
pengenmain [1d?\]: resign
High55 [6d\]: kg try very hard
]
;B[rl]BL[30]OB[4]C[massilia [1d\]: why resign?
]
;W[qk]WL[30]OW[4]C[puppy430 [10k\]: i agree
]
;B[pk]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ql]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[pl]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[rm]WL[30]OW[4]C[Rikyu [1k\]: lost
Eshelnah [11k\]: B badly lose >>
Lastochka [-\]: h2 
BenSenTen [?\]: res...
mitora [6k\]: w not territory hardly enough is it?
sameasyou [2d\]: if b gets f7 isn't he ahead even if he losses the right side?
mitora [6k\]: w territory*
]
;B[si]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[sl]WL[30]OW[4]C[High55 [6d\]: cuz lose so Resign
High55 [6d\]: by definition
LionelLee [7k\]: white stones get strengthened
]
;B[sg]BL[30]OB[4]C[Naurul [8k\]: black H2 ??
expat [-\]: what's f7?
Woodstock [-\]: F7 just gains one point in sente for black
mitora [6k\]: ah yeah ^^
]
;W[pd]WL[30]OW[4]C[troncho [4k\]: i just got here.. 
LionelLee [7k\]: black needs to secure upper now?
BuhariEX [2k\]: lol, superior played 2k in his first game here ><
Novalys [2k\]: W has pretentious nickname, but  he seems to deserve it ^^
troncho [4k\]: is g2 alive?
puppy430 [10k\]: i dont know
expat [-\]: f7 gains 2 points after j4, but still
troncho [4k\]: doesnt b need to play h2?
bobstep [2k?\]: yes
Soulkeeper [3k\]: yes it is
monboubou [-\]: yes, g2 is alive ... -_-
wotan123 [2d\]: the whole time i overseen F7 --> stupid
]
;B[re]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[pc]WL[30]OW[4]C[Stinky [3k\]: f7is a few pnts in sente
Woodstock [-\]: white is alive with his big group on the bottom
]
;B[qc]BL[30]OB[4]C[sameasyou [2d\]: no...w alive anyway
puppy430 [10k\]: r17?
]
;W[pb]WL[30]OW[4]C[troncho [4k\]: mmm
LionelLee [7k\]: seems like black is going to break a leg in order to save s12 grp
sameasyou [2d\]: I was wrong
]
;B[qb]BL[30]OB[4]C[troncho [4k\]: what if b goes to h2?
]
;W[jb]WL[30]OW[4]C[Novalys [2k\]: refusing to sacrifice anything, b is losing all his points : /
sameasyou [2d\]: then w h1
]
;B[jc]BL[30]OB[4]C[wotan123 [2d\]: and asked myself why w not play h2
Arakasi [3k\]: h2 h1
Cunning [3k\]: q16 q17 q18 nice wall
LionelLee [7k\]: that is why white is superior?
troncho [4k\]: ahh
]
;W[kc]WL[30]OW[4]C[troncho [4k\]: true true
mcw85 [7k\]: Hey, I think h2 kills, guis!
BuhariEX [2k\]: actually black can still win
]
;B[pe]BL[30]OB[4]C[Cunning [3k\]: h2 h1 alive
HandA [1k\]: nice escape but....
sameasyou [2d\]: if b h2 w h1
]
;W[qe]WL[30]OW[4]C[expat [-\]: stop trolling mcw :)
]
;B[oe]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[of]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[od]BL[30]OB[4]C[mcw85 [7k\]: :-( K.
]
;W[sf]WL[30]OW[4]C[puppy430 [10k\]: im very confused
LionelLee [7k\]: lol...
puppy430 [10k\]: hmm
]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[4]C[cocaDJ [6d\]: oups kido
]
;W[ad]WL[30]OW[4]C[Cunning [3k\]: h2 h1 then j2 and f7 miai
LionelLee [7k\]: i wonder what is white going to do
]
;B[de]BL[30]OB[4]C[expat [-\]: ouch
]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[4]C[puppy430 [10k\]: doesnt h2 kill?
expat [-\]: losing t13 wasn't nice
puppy430 [10k\]: ?
sameasyou [2d\]: anyway b has a few ko threats at h2
puppy430 [10k\]: ?
Cunning [3k\]: puppy, look above
Eshelnah [11k\]: nope 
cocaDJ [6d\]: can't find resign? 
TheWise [-\]: no
mcw85 [7k\]: Puppy: h2 h1 j2 f7
puppy430 [10k\]: huh?
]
;B[fm]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hr]WL[30]OW[4]C[DoubleLion [2k\]: ?
Cunning [3k\]: h2 h1 then j2 f7 miai
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
marfg [5k\]: ? 
Woodstock [-\]: thank you black for stopping the trolls
LionelLee [7k\]: lol kghin must had read the comments
expat [-\]: b is fishing
mcw85 [7k\]: Now j4 j1 miai.
HandA [1k\]: why f7, waste ko threat
mcw85 [7k\]: Just alive.
]
;B[lc]BL[30]OB[4]C[BuhariEX [2k\]: so... who wins
Mofioi [6k\]: why do black did not play h2 ?
]
;W[kd]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[lb]BL[30]OB[4]C[mcw85 [7k\]: You do, Buhari.
puppy430 [10k\]: thats what i thought
LionelLee [7k\]: the more superior 1 will win
puppy430 [10k\]: yea
rthspaz07 [9k\]: cause h2 f7 mia
]
;W[kb]WL[30]OW[4]C[expat [-\]: mofioi because j4 is another point
BuhariEX [2k\]: actually i always lose:X
]
;B[ib]BL[30]OB[4]C[Yippie [2d\]: read it plz
]
;W[cb]WL[30]OW[4]C[Mofioi [6k\]: ok did not c f7
OrangeKyo [6k\]: h2 then h3 black could have killed g2 3 stones
Cunning [3k\]: empty triangle :D
Woodstock [-\]: F7 does not waste ko threats
JustBeaTit [5k\]: b wasted nice ko threats with j7 
Stinky [3k\]: h2 h1
]
;B[ip]BL[30]OB[4]C[XSpanier [1k\]: actually w losing?
]
;W[is]WL[30]OW[4]C[Yippie [2d\]: f16 seems big
HandA [1k\]: why woodstock
polonistka [-\]: b h2 did nothing
]
;B[pr]BL[30]OB[4]C[Javaness [2d\]: smartrobot watches
]
;W[fb]WL[30]OW[4]C[wotan123 [2d\]: yes
Cunning [3k\]: close game
puppy430 [10k\]: stop asking buhari
wotan123 [2d\]: seems close
HandA [1k\]: Epic game next
Woodstock [-\]: he had the same number of threats as if he had played H2 - H1 beforehand
OrangeKyo [6k\]: o i c, ty stinky
BenSenTen [?\]: robot play next?
expat [-\]: f18 nice
puppy430 [10k\]: agree
]
;B[fc]BL[30]OB[3]C[troncho [4k\]: b leading, right?
]
;W[db]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[eb]BL[30]OB[3]C[mcw85 [7k\]: I love how kibitzers like to play Don King.
]
;W[ea]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gb]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[fe]WL[30]OW[4]C[HandA [1k\]: He didn't play H2 thought 
]
;B[fd]BL[30]OB[3]C[LionelLee [7k\]: hmm =)
]
;W[ch]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[dg]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ee]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ed]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[bm]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[an]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[bn]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[bo]BL[30]OB[3]C[expat [-\]: b7 correct? why not a6?
mitora [6k\]: w is on a sente rampage
]
;W[la]WL[30]OW[4]C[Eshelnah [11k\]: B win ^ ^ 
wotan123 [2d\]: not sure
Stinky [3k\]: b7 sente
Yippie [2d\]: isn't b ahead by some?
LionelLee [7k\]: sente rampage
]
;B[nb]BL[30]OB[3]C[LionelLee [7k\]: i like that comment
High55 [6d\]: b win in ur gream
]
;W[ps]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[os]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[qs]WL[30]OW[4]C[velther: ya, we have a lot of greams
puppy430 [10k\]: stop deciding whos gonna win
Cunning [3k\]: mmm.... ice cream
puppy430 [10k\]: k?
]
;B[mh]BL[30]OB[3]C[LionelLee [7k\]: grey is winning
ToDie [3d\]: why?
]
;W[ng]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[fa]BL[30]OB[3]C[velther: B winning
velther: W winning
]
;W[rf]WL[30]OW[4]C[Cunning [3k\]: its a jigo
]
;B[rd]BL[30]OB[3]C[Arhiman [2k\]: one of them is winning
puppy430 [10k\]: i said STOP
]
;W[am]WL[30]OW[4]C[Stinky [3k\]: nw hes losing
Stinky [3k\]: hes winning again
velther: B isn't not entirely completely not-winning
Yippie [2d\]: and we censored you puppy
Rikyu [1k\]: b lost
DreadLord [6k?\]: puppy.. why don't you stop..
]
;B[ma]BL[30]OB[3]C[BuhariEX [2k\]: oh it's chinese
]
;W[mc]WL[30]OW[4]C[mitora [6k\]: no unwin
puppy430 [10k\]: sureeeee
]
;B[ka]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ao]WL[30]OW[4]C[puppy430 [10k\]: im famous for annoying ppl
HandA [1k\]: isn't not yes
]
;B[ap]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ja]WL[30]OW[4]C[wotan123 [2d\]: SE cannot count chinese rules
Cunning [3k\]: yes is not isnotting
puppy430 [10k\]: lol
puppy430 [10k\]: k bye
wotan123 [2d\]: so dont trust SE
LionelLee [7k\]: when does 2 positive words gives a negative meaning? ya right
ViperDee [4k\]: can t see the score
]
;B[hh]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ld]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[nc]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[mg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ni]BL[30]OB[3]C[Goatliness [5k?\]: The Morgenstern example, LL.
]
;W[aq]WL[30]OW[4]C[expat [-\]: w allowing h12 seems criminal
]
;B[bp]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[mi]WL[30]OW[4]C[Arakasi [3k\]: what's the differences between the chinese and japanese rules ?
HAJDNKSPF [5k\]: q7 is the move
Yippie [2d\]: ok, chinese rules... the only rule-set I understand is japanese so...
]
;B[lf]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[lh]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[kh]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[mh]WL[30]OW[4]C[ViperDee [4k\]: i only can clone the game
Vibration [7k\]: q7 bad
mcw85 [7k\]: Mainly the counting.
JustBeaTit [5k\]: now the ko where f7 and j4 were wasted
HAJDNKSPF [5k\]: oh yes q7 bad
]
;B[da]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[no]WL[30]OW[4]C[wotan123 [2d\]: and the eveningstar  example
Mofioi [6k\]: each stone has 1point value
polonistka [-\]: japanese ruleset is the only nearly imposible to understand
ViperDee [4k\]: oh my God heal me from my insanity
aez [15k?\]: woah some new strong guy?
mcw85 [7k\]: Chinese is area counting: empty interesctions surrounded by stones + the stones are counted.
LionelLee [7k\]: what is Morgenstern example?
]
;B[dj]BL[30]OB[3]C[pengenmain [1d?\]: chinese rules = count your stones on board as point 
Rikyu [1k\]: what is going on?
]
;W[jf]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[cj]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[bk]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[hg]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[hf]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ig]BL[30]OB[3]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Japanese is territory counting: empty intersections + opponent captures.
]
;W[id]WL[30]OW[4]C[aez [15k?\]: chinese rules, so they don't need to count captured stones right?
wotan123 [2d\]: important example in logic for difference of obeject and meaning
Cunning [3k\]: in chinese rules a ko is worth 4 points at least
]
;B[gi]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[fi]WL[30]OW[4]C[wotan123 [2d\]: object
Draxt [7k\]: o15
]
;B[se]BL[30]OB[3]C[Novalys [2k\]: kghin did well
LionelLee [7k\]: SE "ur one stop solution for those who don't count"
]
;W[ia]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ha]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[md]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[mb]BL[30]OB[3]C[BenSenTen [?\]: which rule is best?
velther: se is wrong in this one because of chinese rules
mcw85 [7k\]: Kos are worth the same, Cunning.
]
;W[ca]WL[30]OW[4]C[OrangeKyo [6k\]: close game by my count
velther: different rules have different adv and disadv
HandA [1k\]: probably w+3
]
;B[mn]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[nn]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[3]C[velther: chinese rule adv is great accuracy, and no need for extra rules (like bent-4 rule in japanese)
]
;W[le]WL[30]OW[4]C[Vibration [7k\]: by mi count w+2-4
BenSenTen [?\]: best means most reasonable, less dsiadv
ToDie [3d\]: kos are not worth the same
Cunning [3k\]: no thye arent, in japanese ko = 1 point (the captured stone), in chinese its 4 points (u have 2 stones more on board and opponent 2 less)
]
;B[ea]BL[30]OB[3]C[dutchman [3d\]: n4 is not a point ?
HAJDNKSPF [5k\]: o6 bad no ?
]
;W[oo]WL[30]OW[4]C[dutchman [3d\]: sorry n5 i mean
ViperDee [4k\]: lionellee, mostly i count, but im of medication now
]
;B[an]BL[30]OB[3]C[IgoL [6k\]: SE says b wins 
IgoL [6k\]: wth ?
]
;W[la]WL[30]OW[4]C[velther: japanese rules adv is it's easier to count just the empty areas rather than empty+stones
]
;B[ao]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ka]WL[30]OW[4]C[Cunning [3k\]: still disagree, mcv? :)
pengenmain [1d?\]: b win
]
;B[jk]BL[30]OB[3]C[Draxt [7k\]: i bet on white win from 0,5
]
;W[hq]WL[30]OW[4]C[Calis [1d\]: L7 funny
]
;B[dm]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[km]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[mp]BL[30]OB[3]C[LionelLee [7k\]: time to feel dames
]
;W[ne]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[pa]BL[30]OB[3]C[wotan123 [2d\]: because for example venus is refered as morning and eveningstar -->one entity, 2 meanings
]
;W[]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[nd]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[mf]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ej]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[em]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[gm]WL[30]OW[4]C[Xbox360yo [2k\]: i think b won
mcw85 [7k\]: White didn't know it was chinese.
]
;B[]BL[30]OB[3]C[LionelLee [7k\]: white passed... black plays
]
;W[]WL[30]OW[4]TW[aa][ba][ab][bb][ac][ae][he][ke][af][ag][og][pg][sg][ah][bh][oh][ph][qh][rh][sh][ai][bi][ni][ri][si][aj][oj][pj][qj][sj][ak][ok][pk][sk][al][ol][pl][rl][om][pm][qm][sm][pn][qn][rn][sn][qo][so][qp][rp][sp][rq][sq][ir][rr][sr][hs][rs][ss]TB[ga][na][oa][qa][ra][sa][fb][hb][ob][pb][rb][sb][gc][pc][rc][sc][dd][pd][sd][eg][ih][jh][ii][ji][ki][hj][ij][co][do][eo][dp][kp][aq][bq][dq][eq][lq][mq][oq][ar][br][er][lr][mr][nr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][ls][ms][ns]C[mcw85 [7k\]: -1 point.
Goreon [1d\]: no
mcw85 [7k\]: !
LionelLee [7k\]: lol
pengenmain [1d?\]: wow
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
kghin [7d\]: thx
mcw85 [7k\]: Nice game.
Xbox360yo [2k\]: nice
pengenmain [1d?\]: nice
ViperDee [4k\]: yippy
pengenmain [1d?\]: great
massilia [1d\]: who was saying to resign 30 moves ago?
superior [9d?\]: insane...
pengenmain [1d?\]: unbeatable
mcw85 [7k\]: Should have been W+2.5
WoolyMaCha [5k\]:   Nice close game
DooM [5k\]: OO
massilia [1d\]: before speaking think
lior6 [-\]: but?
BenSenTen [?\]: why insane??
pengenmain [1d?\]: w pass once
LionelLee [7k\]: insanely superior?
yclept [5k\]: w should pass one more time
ViperDee [4k\]: yippy
lior6 [-\]: 9.5?
regards [?\]: insane that he's not solid 9d..
JeanVidToi [6k\]: kghin should play with jap rules:)
superior [9d?\]: thx
pengenmain [1d?\]: what happened with SE?
BenSenTen [?\]:  r u a farmer superior??
ToDie [3d\]: w pass did not ,matter cause he played the last dame
mitora [6k\]: w should have passed 1 more
ViperDee [4k\]: nice players
wotan123 [2d\]: SE cant count chinese rules
velther: SE only accurate with japanese rules, it doesn't work for any other ruleset
BenSenTen [?\]: what do u farm??
wotan123 [2d\]: nobody knows why
mcw85 [7k\]: Superior is not himountain.
BenSenTen [?\]: he may be himountain
Javaness [2d\]: do you play for anyone else superior?
OrangeKyo [6k\]: why is there so much difference between the chinese score and japanese score? i thought they would be roughly the same margin of victory.
wotan123 [2d\]: good question
lior6 [-\]: yeah
mcw85 [7k\]: BST, himountain lets kghin three stones.
mcw85 [7k\]: Orange, they are the same. SE is wrong.
aez [15k?\]: roughly but a small difference is enough to make a big difference
lior6 [-\]: no
mcw85 [7k\]: There could be differences if there are sekis.
OrangeKyo [6k\]: yea, i can believe se being wrong but where is se making the mistake? i don't see it
lior6 [-\]: 9.5 to 1.5
lior6 [-\]: it crazy
mcw85 [7k\]: Kyo, just count yourself like you would for japanese.
mcw85 [7k\]: You will get the same magin.
OrangeKyo [6k\]: i did, and i did.
lior6 [-\]: the  problem that there is no way b +9.5
mcw85 [7k\]: SE just can't handle area counting.
mcw85 [7k\]: It tries to do it, but is always wong.
mcw85 [7k\]: wrong*
mitora [6k\]: just copy the game, then change the rule to japanese and score. you will see w wins by 1.5 as well
inoue007 [?\]: what SE please
mcw85 [7k\]: SE=Score Estimator
OrangeKyo [6k\]: thought see would be at least correct after the game was freaking over. =\\ how can it get confused even now??
inoue007 [?\]: of kgs...
mcw85 [7k\]: Because it is not human and operates on an imperfect set of instructions.
mitora [6k\]: se does not correctly see dead groups and does not count "grey" groups in the scoring
hehe2009 [1k\]: this S11 experiment was to expensive
mitora [6k\]: (same as when you use the score tool, you need to point out dead groups, se doesn't do it by itself)
OrangeKyo [6k\]: no i get that, but when you click on se even now, it has all the dead groups correctly identified. there should be no mistake.
mitora [6k\]: it's probably a bug then..
mitora [6k\]: even if dead groups are shown correctly in SE, the score in SE is the one that you get with the score tool, which does not identify all the dead groups
OrangeKyo [6k\]: aha, k got it. ty.
OrangeKyo [6k\]: that is a good point to know.
mitora [6k\]: :)
OrangeKyo [6k\]: yea. se identifies but then completely ignores dead groups when counting in chinese rules.
OrangeKyo [6k\]: in japanese rules it seems ok
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