(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.50]TM[1200]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
PW[artem92]PB[danigabi]WR[7d]BR[5d]DT[2009-06-09]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[pd][dp]C[artem92 [7d\]: hi
danigabi [5d\]: :)
danigabi [5d\]: good luck
Victzz [6k\]: go artem!
Victzz [6k\]: ^^
artem92 [7d\]: thx, good game
]RE[B+Resign]
;W[cd]WL[1164.981]
;B[ed]BL[1193.789]
;W[pq]WL[1153.152]C[Ciovo [1d?\]: go dani!
]
;B[df]BL[1187.752]
;W[ec]WL[1144.526]
;B[dd]BL[1181.643]
;W[dc]WL[1139.451]
;B[cc]BL[1178.821]
;W[bc]WL[1134.886]
;B[cb]BL[1176.972]
;W[bb]WL[1130.661]
;B[ce]BL[1174.359]
;W[bd]WL[1127.119]
;B[fc]BL[1173.171]
;W[db]WL[1120.153]
;B[eb]BL[1171.766]
;W[ca]WL[1116.274]
;B[gd]BL[1170.212]
;W[fe]WL[1107.9]
;B[fd]BL[1168.185]C[sensemaker [4d\]: why support artem's opponent?
]
;W[qf]WL[1096.875]
;B[nd]BL[1164.056]
;W[rd]WL[1088.4]
;B[po]BL[1160.102]
;W[qm]WL[1073.354]C[Ciovo [1d?\]: why support danigabi's opponent?
sensemaker [4d\]: who?
]
;B[qq]BL[1131.14]
;W[qr]WL[1066.494]
;B[qp]BL[1124.152]
;W[mq]WL[1063.955]
;B[om]BL[1122.168]
;W[pm]WL[1058.651]
;B[ol]BL[1116.17]
;W[pk]WL[1057.386]
;B[or]BL[1110.754]
;W[pr]WL[1054.87]C[sensemaker [4d\]: i dont get this joseki.. but artem seems fond of it
]
;B[oq]BL[1100.271]
;W[pp]WL[1052.639]
;B[op]BL[1097.911]
;W[qo]WL[1048.256]
;B[ro]BL[1091.743]
;W[oo]WL[1044.102]C[Novalys [3k\]: he's fond of it because he takes 20^pts of cash
]
;B[pn]BL[1072.634]
;W[qn]WL[1036.073]
;B[on]BL[1071.051]
;W[rr]WL[1030.836]
;B[no]BL[1068.411]
;W[pj]WL[1026.515]
;B[jq]BL[1062.811]
;W[qc]WL[1020.308]
;B[dn]BL[1058.226]
;W[dq]WL[1000.237]C[Aphelion02 [10k\]: b looks awafully thick bottom right though
]
;B[cq]BL[1035.166]
;W[eq]WL[991.491]
;B[cr]BL[1033.003]
;W[ep]WL[986.808]C[sensemaker [4d\]: i prefer black here
]
;B[do]BL[1030.144]
;W[hq]WL[982.659]C[Novalys [3k\]: me too =)
twold [2k\]: but thickness seems somewhat useless now
Novalys [3k\]: Artem seems to always prefere some cash
]
;B[ho]BL[984.741]C[Novalys [3k\]: not useless as long as H3 is weak
]
;W[ip]WL[968.256]C[S1lv3rD1m3 [2d\]: useless its not at all
sensemaker [4d\]: h5 drives towards thickness, build centre.. nice
twold [2k\]: yeah, but it's not that weak
]
;B[kp]BL[976.68]C[Novalys [3k\]: ?
S1lv3rD1m3 [2d\]: b will build centesr
]
;W[io]WL[958.457]C[twold [2k\]: yes, h5 was ok
]
;B[hm]BL[973.179]
;W[in]WL[949.518]
;B[hn]BL[969.633]
;W[ko]WL[944.344]
;B[lp]BL[957.354]
;W[lo]WL[931.31]C[Novalys [3k\]: has to add a move on the left though
]
;B[mp]BL[952.769]C[Kmar [1d\]: k8
]
;W[kl]WL[921.627]
;B[ik]BL[945.249]C[Novalys [3k\]: now that w is out with a nice shape it'll be harder
]
;W[kj]WL[914.49]
;B[lk]BL[940.8]
;W[kk]WL[908.072]
;B[ji]BL[937.857]C[sensemaker [4d\]: not bad for black
wanton [6k\]: hmm
Novalys [3k\]: artem will invade somehow 
twold [2k\]: i heard once that building too big moyo is bad. is that true?
]
;W[ki]WL[875.91]C[Novalys [3k\]: as usual ^^
]
;B[jh]BL[933.414]
;W[lg]WL[871.205]C[sensemaker [4d\]: true for weak players
Novalys [3k\]: ahah ^^
spongy [5d\]: moyo is fun
twold [2k\]: :-)
Kmar [1d\]: M16 aiming ?
Novalys [3k\]: moyo is not fun spongy, it's great =)
spongy [5d\]: how big is b14?
]
;B[ke]BL[884.915]C[Kmar [1d\]: very HUGE
twold [2k\]: it's neither fun nor great. moyo games are usually too bloody for my liking
S1lv3rD1m3 [2d\]: if your moyo gets too big, just make two moyos out of it
]
;W[cg]WL[861.707]C[zampa [5k\]: spongy, thought you are 5d you tell us.
]
;B[ci]BL[879.245]C[taiji [3k\]: shinogi!!!
Novalys [3k\]: here it comes : /
]
;W[dg]WL[854.773]C[spongy [5d\]: don´t diss me man
sensemaker [4d\]: he is 5d
Kmar [1d\]: C13 not too small ?
]
;B[be]BL[861.866]C[S1lv3rD1m3 [2d\]: small?
]
;W[di]WL[847.852]C[Larrave [4k\]: playing moyo against artem is dangerous
]
;B[cj]BL[858.595]
;W[dj]WL[841.958]C[Novalys [3k\]: this time he'll die here
spongy [5d\]: so courageous
sensemaker [4d\]: but even 10k can kill artem here
zampa [5k\]: wasen't meant as a diss, i'm sorry, more like my weird humor.
Larrave [4k\]: *g*
]
;B[ck]BL[834.962]C[Novalys [3k\]: i don't see w live here...
Nuko [4k\]: well see if 5d can\\
Kmar [1d\]: what mean diss ?
]
;W[dk]WL[827.409]C[Novalys [3k\]: dani can kill this :)
Novalys [3k\]: He's strong
]
;B[eh]BL[830.222]C[spongy [5d\]: lower left invasion went kinda wrong for artem
]
;W[cl]WL[820.688]C[Novalys [3k\]: heavy : /
]
;B[dl]BL[800.78]
;W[bl]WL[806.628]C[XXXXXXXXXX [?\]: it is not artem's normal style
sensemaker [4d\]: artem's style = ?
Novalys [3k\]: = cash cash cash
Novalys [3k\]: ^^
Novalys [3k\]: then reduce 
XXXXXXXXXX [?\]: = safe and reasonable
twold [2k\]: maybe because he normally doesn't play handicap games? this is the first one I see him in actually :-)
quappo73: b9 
]
;B[bk]BL[746.139]C[Novalys [3k\]:  lol i had read s9 
Novalys [3k\]: I was wondering wth was this move
twold [2k\]: s9 good tesuji that influences left side
]
;W[dh]WL[741.879]C[sensemaker [4d\]: s9 doesnt even influence s10
]
;B[cm]BL[738.757]C[SenYuki [3d\]: s9 is nothing
twold [2k\]: :-D
]
;W[el]WL[732.891]
;B[dm]BL[737.248]C[twold [2k\]: dans with no sense of humor
sensemaker [4d\]: hahaha :)
SenYuki [3d\]: at least, s9 covers t9
GoOgle9p [-\]: s9 would be good point if s5 werent dead
quappo73: f12 maybe 
spongy [5d\]: aww
XXXXXXXXXX [?\]: humour sense maker
]
;W[fk]WL[660.334]
;B[eg]BL[729.306]
;W[hk]WL[653.229]C[spongy [5d\]: if this lives...
Babibo [1d\]: your shoes, or your hat ?
]
;B[im]BL[682.491]
;W[ij]WL[643.449]C[spongy [5d\]: <.<
spongy [5d\]: >.>
]
;B[jj]BL[673.669]C[XXXXXXXXXX [?\]: b is still ahead if this lives
Lentyi [2k\]: ^_^
sensemaker [4d\]: ya.. top can be big for black too
twold [2k\]: white will live there too ^^
]
;W[il]WL[604.57]
;B[jk]BL[670.09]C[XXXXXXXXXX [?\]: -3-
]
;W[jl]WL[600.126]
;B[hl]BL[667.223]C[quappo73: f6 
Lentyi [2k\]: g8
Samowar [1d\]: w fails
]
;W[gl]WL[572.764]C[power20K [6k\]: f6
sensemaker [4d\]: f7?
plamen [1k\]: f 9 looks better
plamen [1k\]: f7*
]
;B[fn]BL[621.793]C[Aphelion02 [10k\]: safe
]
;W[gj]WL[564.707]C[veilChen [3d\]: k7
]
;B[hi]BL[612.112]
;W[hj]WL[557.936]
;B[fi]BL[609.225]C[atarihuana [2k\]: m7
Na107 [2d\]: I dont like w position
veilChen [3d\]: we neither
anapazapa [2d\]: danigabi does
atarihuana [2k\]: dont stop now w ^^
veilChen [3d\]: lol
power20K [6k\]: W dead ?
atarihuana [2k\]: no
atarihuana [2k\]: 2 eye gote i rock you rule life
plamen [1k\]: W not dead but alive gote
Lentyi [2k\]: alive
]
;W[fj]WL[500.821]
;B[fm]BL[605.629]
;W[fl]WL[494.049]C[sensemaker [4d\]: usually to live has to gote..
Realm [3d\]: Q17
veilChen [3d\]: k7
Aphelion02 [10k\]: just black top got big in mena time
Aphelion02 [10k\]: so white has to pull another rabbit out of hat
atarihuana [2k\]: poor rabbits
anapazapa [2d\]: r17 was extremely slow
]
;B[pc]BL[553.345]C[atarihuana [2k\]: poor hats too...
Kanin [-\]: eeeeeh!?!?!??!!?!?!??
jakontin [5k\]: m16
jakontin [5k\]: ?
sensemaker [4d\]: poor white surely
spongy [5d\]: next invasion?
veilChen [3d\]: why not k7?
]
;W[jg]WL[470.009]C[jerno [3d\]: M17 ?
]
;B[ie]BL[505.34]C[twold [2k\]: k7 l7?
]
;W[jf]WL[462.993]C[spongy [5d\]: b is cowardy...
power20K [6k\]: m16
sensemaker [4d\]: rich men dont fight
]
;B[hg]BL[478.72]C[plamen [1k\]: well if he is winnig what is the problem?
anapazapa [2d\]: god hates a coward
veilChen [3d\]: well said sense
quappo73: instead of k14 h12 ?
HolyPasta [4k\]: god doesnt exist
plamen [1k\]: god doest care about cowers on brave men
]
;W[je]WL[411.358]
;B[jd]BL[475.967]C[veilChen [3d\]: god hatesa person who say someone coward
sensemaker [4d\]: then who created Go?
plamen [1k\]: some chinies dude
veilChen [3d\]: human
anapazapa [2d\]: u wil get to hell, but listen to mike patton first
SaintMiai [4d\]: it was a king 
]
;W[hh]WL[380.826]C[veilChen [3d\]: HUMAN
SaintMiai [4d\]: who invented the game to make his son
SaintMiai [4d\]: smarter
plamen [1k\]: yeah nice story
veilChen [3d\]: it's not work
plamen [1k\]: but no prufe
HolyPasta [4k\]: emperor yao or something
spongy [4d\]: lol
zampa [5k\]: to learn about attacking and such.
SaintMiai [4d\]: atleast thats what i heard off a article
veilChen [3d\]: if not i'm smarter now
zampa [5k\]: yeah i wrote a paper on it.
sensemaker [4d\]: wasnt it emperor's advisor who created?
]
;B[ih]BL[439.959]C[Kangee [4k\]: The emperor had to be pretty smart ^^
veilChen [3d\]: the emperor itself
HolyPasta [4k\]: there are many stories
sensemaker [4d\]: at emperor's instruction
veilChen [3d\]: i heard it before too
zampa [5k\]: i think so too. the emperor asked this general to greate the game i believe.
SaintMiai [4d\]: i heard the emperor
polytope [1d\]: i heard it evolved from a way of fortune telling
SaintMiai [4d\]: made it
HolyPasta [4k\]: there is more than one myth on how go was created
veilChen [3d\]: whatever
veilChen [3d\]: googleable
zampa [5k\]: aye.¨
veilChen [3d\]: go do it
plamen [1k\]: goodgle doesnt look into the past
zampa [5k\]: yet...
veilChen [3d\]: try history then
]
;W[kd]WL[303.123]
;B[le]BL[435.007]C[plamen [1k\]: few scrolls are old of 4000 tears that speak of go
]
;W[ld]WL[295.531]C[plamen [1k\]: years*
anapazapa [2d\]: dawkins says it has evolved from 1 (or more) flying spaghetti monster(s)
]
;B[me]BL[425.904]C[power20K [6k\]: why the go isn't famous like chess ?????
HolyPasta [4k\]: ah u must see my profil
anapazapa [2d\]: 4000 tears
HolyPasta [4k\]: its explains how go is created
veilChen [3d\]: GO only spread to the west in these few decades
GoOgle9p [-\]: god took some pasta and made holy go?
veilChen [3d\]: in the future it might be
HolyPasta [4k\]: u mean the FSM
sensemaker [4d\]: board games usually have connections to real war..
veilChen [3d\]: it does
sensemaker [4d\]: chess from west, go from China..
veilChen [3d\]: shoug from japan
plamen [1k\]: or fortun telling or astral clalculations
veilChen [3d\]: shougi*
sensemaker [4d\]: war from west more spread out than china, which war locally
plamen [1k\]: and chess is indian
HolyPasta [4k\]: go isnt really a war game
atarihuana [2k\]: go is connected to life. to living things that grow and die :)
HolyPasta [4k\]: its more primitive than chess
]
;W[kh]WL[174.111]C[atarihuana [2k\]: much more than war
power20K [6k\]: j16
]
;B[id]BL[405.239]C[HolyPasta [4k\]: go was invented when social classes were not fully established
]
;W[hf]WL[161.315]C[veilChen [3d\]: you're wrong
atarihuana [2k\]: social classes are an illusion :)
Lentyi [2k\]: yin -black yang-wight
sensemaker [4d\]: source?
veilChen [3d\]: chess is more primitive
wanhychen [10k\]: dont cheat artem :D
plamen [1k\]: no 1 can be sure ho when or why go was invented with out solid documented prouf
]
;B[gh]BL[367.525]C[Nuko [4k\]: why white didnt play j16 before... 
Nuko [4k\]: it was sente
veilChen [3d\]: we'll need a time machine
]
;W[if]WL[133.899]C[veilChen [3d\]: not work
veilChen [3d\]: ladder
Realm [3d\]: white earns nothing
]
;B[qd]BL[346.06]C[veilChen [3d\]: try review by yourself
papsko [6k\]: I´v played both games for years and enjoy them both :)
Nuko [4k\]: i know.. but  nice aji now
]
;W[rb]WL[126.103]
;B[qb]BL[344.002]C[SamS [2d?\]:  u dont atari for the sake of it
veilChen [3d\]: k7 tempting
]
;W[rc]WL[121.836]
;B[jm]BL[341.605]C[SamS [2d?\]: cuz later it could become a tesuji
]
;W[km]WL[115.681]
;B[jn]BL[339.376]
;W[jo]WL[109.198]C[spongy [4d\]: aww
atarihuana [2k\]: too wall
atarihuana [2k\]: no work
]
;B[og]BL[289.714]
;W[ph]WL[100.455]
;B[gr]BL[277.585]C[Lentyi [2k\]: w lose by 15pt
Lentyi [2k\]: no?
]
;W[hr]WL[68.614]
;B[gq]BL[266.578]
;W[gp]WL[61.703]C[sensemaker [4d\]: maybe more
]
;B[hp]BL[264.544]
;W[gs]WL[57.571]C[wanhychen [10k\]: dont cheat artem :)
phboom [1d\]: j3 then l6 cut
power20K [6k\]: is that true that a pro can win more than 400.000 yen in pro competition ??? 
power20K [6k\]: s*
Babibo [1d\]: l6 cut... do you think it works ? 
tchu [2d?\]: giyf
Oloril [2k\]: sure, if you beat all the other pros
]
;B[fr]BL[186.622]C[S1lv3rD1m3 [2d\]: is that like 400 euro?
power20K [6k\]: XD
SamS [2d?\]: wont win any yen unless u in japan
plamen [1k\]: was going to ask how much that makes in euro :D
sensemaker [4d\]: f2 seems uselss
Montchik [-\]: i believe honinbo is 32M yen
Oloril [2k\]: a bit more than 400, but hardly anything to get excited about
dojo [7k\]: e2
yukinoame [3k\]: the best pro can earn about 300000$ per year
]
;W[iq]WL[10.006]C[SciSan [11k\]: you just won Meijin title here's your 10 euros lol
]
;B[fp]BL[177.149]C[sensemaker [4d\]: what is biggest amateur prize?
SamS [2d?\]: rofl
]
;W[fs]WL[3.946]C[S1lv3rD1m3 [2d\]: enough to pay internet bills and your daily cup of rice for a month ^^
]
;B[er]BL[159.038]
;W[es]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[dr]BL[156.025]
;W[jr]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[kr]BL[153.949]C[wanhychen [10k\]: the door closed :)
]
;W[ks]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ls]BL[149.816]C[spongy [4d\]: a lifetime
]
;W[js]WL[30]OW[3]C[veilChen [3d\]: w no chance
]
;B[mr]BL[137.502]C[Draxt [7k\]: L6
wanhychen [10k\]: for what?
]
;W[ff]WL[30]OW[3]C[dojo [7k\]: n7
]
;B[ef]BL[129.036]
;W[pb]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ob]BL[126.219]
;W[qa]WL[30]OW[3]C[EdvinW [9k\]: ¨Why is there no play at J1?
]
;B[ml]BL[119.707]C[wanhychen [10k\]: he cuts
che [-\]: it does nothing
papsko [6k\]: why?
]
;W[nk]WL[30]OW[3]C[Montchik [-\]: because j1 is only a ko threath
EdvinW [9k\]: t later cut at L6
dojo [7k\]: H1 b , J1 w , D1 b 
EdvinW [9k\]: or if w conects take J2
]
;B[ok]BL[89.549]
;W[nj]WL[30]OW[3]C[papsko [6k\]: Why was for EdwinW..:)
]
;B[oj]BL[83.592]C[Hoyuk [17k\]: O12
]
;W[oi]WL[30]OW[3]C[Oloril [2k\]: it doesn't quite go that way edwin
Hotei [9k?\]: j1, j2 still an eye
]
;B[ni]BL[75.868]C[Oloril [2k\]: *edvin
Lentyi [2k\]: not good
EdvinW [9k\]: yea but L6 is cutable
]
;W[mi]WL[30]OW[3]C[sagesse [2k?\]: why not l6 ??
Oloril [2k\]: not yet
]
;B[nh]BL[69.399]
;W[lj]WL[30]OW[3]C[Lentyi [2k\]: =\\
Oloril [2k\]: white would just cut the cut
che [-\]: doesnt cut up to now
]
;B[nl]BL[46.429]C[sagesse [2k?\]: how?
phboom [1d\]: nice
sagesse [2k?\]: how will w save the group?
Babibo [1d\]: w is making sure the cut doesn't work
]
;W[ll]WL[30]OW[3]C[triii [11k\]: connect
Hotei [9k?\]: now it cuts
]
;B[mk]BL[43.52]
;W[mj]WL[30]OW[3]C[Hoyuk [17k\]: an eye at bottom and eye in centre
]
;B[mm]BL[40.678]
;W[kn]WL[30]OW[3]C[Hoyuk [17k\]: good
wanhychen [10k\]: nothing happen now
wanhychen [10k\]: white safe
SciSan [11k\]: extra ball he has
spongy [5d\]: down to 2 pts
Hoyuk [17k\]: good play by artem
choboco [1k\]: iam 1k and i say  b wins anyway
che [-\]: white was always safe
phboom [1d\]: r15
wanhychen [10k\]: i say white win
papsko [6k\]: w loose big in my kuy-opinion....
yukinoame [3k\]: lol
sagesse [2k?\]: che..why couldnt he cut?
wanhychen [10k\]: 'cause artem fan club is here :x
choboco [1k\]: yea, white no chance in points
Oloril [2k\]: because the cut didn't work?
]
;B[oa]BL[30]OB[3]C[cerberus [1k\]: i say black wins ... maybe white
tchu [2d?\]: I wonder if M2 instead of M1 was not more dangerous, b seemed alive anyway
SirKuros [11k\]: SE has the right idea?
]
;W[fb]WL[30]OW[3]C[choboco [1k\]: and? artem is way to popular^^
che [-\]: cutting stones would have been caught
]
;B[gb]BL[30]OB[3]C[Oloril [2k\]: I'll open a clone, join if you want to see why the cut didn't work
]
;W[ea]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ga]BL[30]OB[3]C[wanhychen [10k\]: white win already
phboom [1d\]: lol
]
;W[nf]WL[30]OW[3]C[abc321 [7k\]: -.-
yukinoame [3k\]: lol again
veilChen [3d\]: w wins?
wanhychen [10k\]: about 15 point
Golosa: ><
]
;B[qe]BL[30]OB[3]C[che [-\]: b leading a lot
veilChen [3d\]: B can't lose
choboco [1k\]: w wins in looking like "sun, thats uncool" in his picture
wanhychen [10k\]: oh 
wanhychen [10k\]: wait and see
choboco [1k\]: he just looks depressed in his pictures
]
;W[re]WL[30]OW[3]C[choboco [1k\]: never happy
]
;B[pf]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[pg]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[of]BL[30]OB[3]C[yukinoame [3k\]: B+ res?
Nuko [4k\]: B++
]
;W[mg]WL[30]OW[3]C[Realm [3d\]: white lose a;readu
choboco [1k\]: artem too proud to res usually
]
;B[oh]BL[30]OB[3]C[dxxd [-\]: not really
Lentyi [2k\]: he play well
che [-\]: artem sieht aus als habe er ein starkes Über-ich, aber das trifft vermutlich auf viele Go-spieeler zu
phboom [1d\]: o15 or w will get ideas
]
;W[pi]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ne]BL[30]OB[3]C[choboco [1k\]: was genau in seinem ausdruck zeigt sein über ich herr freud? xD
S1lv3rD1m3 [2d\]: bei mir ist es vor allem das mega-ich
plamen [1k\]: b12 
]
;W[oc]WL[30]OW[3]C[Hoyuk [17k\]: ok
cerberus [1k\]: <-- moppel ich
]
;B[nc]BL[30]OB[3]C[choboco [1k\]: <-- 1k , also hab recht
artem92 [7d\]: thx
danigabi [5d\]: thanks
Hoyuk [17k\]: goodness
])
