(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.50]TM[300]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[rafu]PB[kghin]WR[8d]BR[6d]DT[2009-05-14]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[pd][dp]C[rafu [8d?\]: hi
]RE[W+35.50]
;W[qp]WL[288.85]C[kghin [6d\]: hi
]
;B[cd]BL[293.926]
;W[ed]WL[286.661]
;B[ec]BL[263.075]
;W[fc]WL[259.412]
;B[dc]BL[255.502]
;W[qf]WL[256.762]
;B[ph]BL[238.498]
;W[of]WL[201.56]
;B[nc]BL[236.158]
;W[rd]WL[197.576]
;B[qc]BL[232.339]
;W[rh]WL[192.728]
;B[og]BL[203.043]
;W[pe]WL[183.241]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: hurray for kosumi
]
;B[fd]BL[171.098]C[Sponge7 [-\]: kg-chan will get murdered
]
;W[np]WL[151.953]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: why you think so
]
;B[qj]BL[140.446]C[Sponge7 [-\]: he´s overplay only dude
]
;W[qi]WL[130.153]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: overplay is powerplay
Sponge7 [-\]: depends on the opponent
]
;B[pj]BL[124.607]
;W[pi]WL[115.496]
;B[oi]BL[109.395]
;W[oj]WL[114.1]
;B[ni]BL[106.488]
;W[ok]WL[110.256]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: overplay is way more fun than boring book-go
]
;B[rj]BL[104.64]
;W[qh]WL[106.142]
;B[qn]BL[96.191]C[Pokeoni [3k?\]: Overplay is "too risky to be attempted" .. but with his game record I would say he is only aggressive, nothing more. 
]
;W[mk]WL[89.136]C[Novalys [3k\]: for someone who doesn't want to go higher than4 d kgs it might be
Novalys [3k\]: Overplay is only respectable with reading to support it, and it's almost never the case
]
;B[on]BL[64.987]C[Novalys [3k\]: Anyways if one wants to damage the beauty of this game, he does as he pleases :)
]
;W[qm]WL[44.539]
;B[rm]BL[54.903]
;W[pm]WL[37.763]
;B[pn]BL[52.805]
;W[rl]WL[35.848]
;B[ro]BL[51.746]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: lol, there is no beauty in book-go, that's stagnation. the future of go won't be found in repetition, but new ideas through experimentation - which includes overplay tactics
]
;W[sm]WL[33.91]
;B[sn]BL[37.349]C[silver2k4 [3d?\]: why dont u battle that out
]
;W[rn]WL[27.409]C[Sponge7 [-\]: the future of go will be found out by top pros
Sponge7 [-\]: who cares about lowly kgs games
]
;B[qg]BL[26.154]
;W[rg]WL[25.38]
;B[rm]BL[24.578]C[shmipo [3k\]: overplay by defenition cannot be good ^_^
shmipo [3k\]: if it is a good move , than it is not overplay
keko [7k\]: http://www.goigobadukweiqi.com.ar/
]
;W[mc]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[sl]BL[21.217]
;W[nd]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[od]BL[1.973]
;W[ne]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[nb]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[li]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[oq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[op]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[pq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[pp]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[qq]BL[30]OB[5]C[ZT1LB [2d\]: if it is not an overplay, it is not a good move.
]
;W[rp]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[rq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[nq]WL[30]OW[5]C[shmipo [3k\]: you may be right when it comes to handy games , but not in an even match
]
;B[sp]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jq]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[fq]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[fp]BL[30]OB[5]C[ZT1LB [2d\]: w was winning vs tarteric but lost on time
]
;W[ep]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[eo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[eq]WL[30]OW[4]C[Novalys [3k\]: hrono3450 [3k\]: lol, there is no beauty in book-go --> but maybe you should try book go before trying to rethink this game :)
]
;B[gp]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[dq]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[cp]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[cq]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[bq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[br]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[bp]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gr]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[hr]BL[30]OB[5]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: i've tried book-go before, it ended up stagnating me
]
;W[mn]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ar]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[bs]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gs]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[fs]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[hs]WL[30]OW[4]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: didn't use my only real strength in this game, reading
]
;B[is]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ds]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gs]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[fr]WL[30]OW[4]C[Novalys [3k\]: You didn't try enough then, because the people you're talking about who changes go know there basics and this game
]
;B[dj]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[en]WL[30]OW[4]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: they know the basics, and they break beyond it
]
;B[do]BL[30]OB[5]C[Novalys [3k\]: anyways it's off topic
Sponge7 [-\]: artem is 100% go book style
]
;W[fo]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[hn]BL[30]OB[5]C[shmipo [3k\]: white so desperate for some cash ^_^
Novalys [3k\]: W has some cash
]
;W[fn]WL[30]OW[4]C[Pokeoni [3k?\]: I like B so far.. 
Novalys [3k\]: Hard to deal with left side
Pokeoni [3k?\]: but I'm lowly kyu
shmipo [3k\]: he got like 5 points of cash , and let b have the rest ^_^
]
;B[cm]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ip]WL[30]OW[4]C[ZT1LB [2d\]: beter lowly kyu than high kyu
]
;B[go]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[el]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[dl]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ek]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[hk]BL[30]OB[5]C[Novalys [3k\]: shmipo o11 is dead
]
;W[ej]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ei]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[fi]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[eh]BL[30]OB[5]C[Novalys [3k\]: And this thickness will be worth some pts during the game
shmipo [3k\]: is was talking about d3 group
]
;W[hm]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[im]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[il]WL[30]OW[4]C[shmipo [3k\]: and what he did there
]
;B[kq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[kp]WL[30]OW[4]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: what was once considered beautiful go, the old japanese style, is practically useless against the modern game of efficiency at the cost of beauty, beauty is 2nd to practicality
]
;B[jo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jp]WL[30]OW[4]C[Novalys [3k\]: Well it's worth a small corner, true that black got too much thickness with the exchange, but still worth a little xD
]
;B[gm]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[hl]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gl]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gn]WL[30]OW[4]C[shmipo [3k\]: like i said , it seems like he was desperate for some cash ?
Novalys [3k\]: Chrno let's talk about this outside this window
]
;B[gj]BL[30]OB[5]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: meh, that would be too much trouble
]
;W[dk]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ck]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[dm]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[cl]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[fj]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[io]BL[30]OB[5]C[Sponge7 [-\]: w should have some pity
Sponge7 [-\]: this is too harsh
Kanin [-\]: I think what made us think moves were beautiful were their elegance, their efficiency
]
;W[ij]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ln]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jm]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[lp]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ko]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[kn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lo]WL[30]OW[3]C[Pokeoni [3k?\]: I have the impression that nobody will convince anybody else in this discussion.. is that what we call kibitz?
]
;B[jn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[in]WL[30]OW[3]C[che [-\]: w seems too strong for this kid to me
]
;B[nk]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ho]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[nj]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ef]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[fh]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[gh]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[fg]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[di]WL[30]OW[3]C[shmipo [3k\]: w is good ^^
]
;B[cj]BL[30]OB[4]C[anapazapa [2d\]: to the beauty debate: i find modern korean patterns are beautiful in the most beatiful sense
]
;W[gd]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[fe]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ff]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ge]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[dh]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[hd]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[gg]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[lc]BL[30]OB[4]C[chrono3450 [3k\]: yes
]
;W[id]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ic]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[jd]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ie]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[hc]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[kc]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[je]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ld]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[if]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[rc]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[rb]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[mb]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[sc]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[qd]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[pb]BL[30]OB[4]C[anapazapa [2d\]: because beauty in go=efficiency in go
]
;W[oc]WL[30]OW[3]C[che [-\]: I dont think of beauty in Go I think more of surprising moves as nice
]
;B[ob]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[nl]WL[30]OW[3]C[anapazapa [2d\]: also
]
;B[ol]BL[30]OB[4]C[anapazapa [2d\]: surprise is beauty
]
;W[om]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[pk]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[nm]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[hp]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[lq]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[hn]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ll]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ii]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ji]WL[30]OW[3]C[Pokeoni [3k?\]: like income tax coming early?
memememe4 [?\]: not nasty surprise though
che [-\]: w keeps cool
Kanin [-\]: w totally pwning
]
;B[hi]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ih]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[jj]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ki]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[jk]BL[30]OB[4]C[anapazapa [2d\]: go is martial art, ergo nasty surprises are even more beatiful
che [-\]: kid going more and more angry
]
;W[jl]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ik]BL[30]OB[4]C[che [-\]: ok ana
]
;W[kk]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[cg]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[or]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[pr]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[nr]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ch]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ql]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[rk]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ib]WL[30]OW[3]C[memememe4 [?\]: go is go, martial art is martial art, anapazapa
]
;B[hb]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[jb]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[sd]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[se]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[sb]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[re]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[dn]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[em]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[pg]BL[30]OB[4]C[anapazapa [2d\]: but you are memememe
]
;W[ng]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[lf]BL[30]OB[4]C[che [-\]: go, went, gone
]
;W[ha]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ga]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ia]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[gb]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ee]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[no]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[nn]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[oo]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[mo]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ci]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[eg]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[de]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[df]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[cf]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[dd]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ce]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[jg]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[jf]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[kg]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[le]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hf]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[he]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[pl]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[gf]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hg]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[dg]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[eh]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ok]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ps]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[qs]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[os]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[qo]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[si]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[sj]BL[30]OB[4]C[Sponge7 [-\]: kg-chan would play out a 40 pts game..
]
;W[ri]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[mj]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[lj]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ma]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[la]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[na]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[kf]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ke]BL[30]OB[4]C[hyuend [7k\]: ohh my kg-chan
]
;W[mh]WL[30]OW[3]C[che [-\]: I expect nothing more interesting here. bye
]
;B[lg]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[lh]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[md]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[mf]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[pc]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ig]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[as]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[aq]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[]BL[30]OB[4]TW[ja][ka][kb][lb][lc][qe][rf][sf][fg][sg][fh][hh][jh][kh][sh][ei][gi][hi][ii][gj][hj][jj][kj][fk][gk][hk][ik][jk][lk][fl][gl][kl][ml][fm][gm][im][km][lm][mm][hn][jn][kn][ln][go][ho][io][jo][fp][gp][hp][lp][mp][gq][hq][iq][kq][mq][cr][dr][er][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][cs][es][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns]TB[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][cb][db][eb][fb][qb][ac][bc][cc][fc][gc][oc][ad][bd][gd][id][ae][be][ie][af][bf][ag][bg][ah][bh][ai][bi][aj][bj][oj][ak][bk][sk][al][bl][am][bm][sm][an][bn][cn][rn][ao][bo][co][so][ap][sq][qr][rr][sr][rs][ss]C[kghin [6d\]: thx
rafu [8d?\]: thx
])
