(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[0]OT[5x20 byo-yomi]
PW[roln111]PB[speedwagon]WR[8d]BR[8d]DT[2009-04-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[roln111 [8d\]: hi
speedwagon [8d\]: hi
speedwagon [8d\]: have fun
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[20]OB[5]C[roln111 [8d\]: you too
]
;W[dd]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[pq]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[dq]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[do]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[co]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[dp]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[cp]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[eq]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[cn]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[dr]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[cq]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[jp]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[qn]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[po]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[rp]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[ql]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[pn]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[qo]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[ro]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[qq]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[rm]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[on]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[pl]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[om]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[pk]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[qi]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[qk]WL[20]OW[5]C[norg [5k\]: That's never joseki :P
]
;B[fp]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[lq]WL[20]OW[5]C[trumpet [3k\]: it is
]
;B[kq]BL[20]OB[5]C[poirette [1d\]: yes, pretty normal
norg [5k\]: w seems to rather get the short end of the straw
]
;W[lo]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[kn]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[kr]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[jr]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[no]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[oo]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[nq]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[mm]BL[20]OB[5]C[trumpet [3k\]: typical sequence in kobayashi
bvanh [5k\]: yes I am also wandering what the advantage for w is here to offsets b rather big wall?
PapaYan [-\]: Go roln
]
;W[kp]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[jq]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[ln]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[lm]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[mr]WL[20]OW[5]C[norg [5k\]: Even the fact that he gets territory seems somewhat diminished by the fact that black can keep the corner
Oloril [2k\]: I dunno why, but it is joseki
norg [5k\]: Maybe it's just not joseki for 5k
]
;B[ks]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[or]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[lr]BL[20]OB[5]C[bvanh [5k\]: norg : hehe
]
;W[nn]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[nm]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[ko]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[jo]BL[20]OB[5]C[norg [5k\]: n4
]
;W[em]WL[20]OW[5]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: humiliating life
]
;B[fc]BL[20]OB[5]C[Oloril [2k\]: sente life is humiliating?
]
;W[pr]WL[20]OW[5]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: so small!
]
;B[qr]BL[20]OB[5]C[poirette [1d\]: it was an invasion in the first place, so no pb about being "small"
]
;W[np]WL[20]OW[5]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: ok
]
;B[cf]BL[20]OB[5]C[trumpet [3k\]: not small. count the cash that b didnt get
]
;W[fd]WL[20]OW[5]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: sorry, i just got arrived; and besides, i know nathing
]
;B[gd]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[fe]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[ec]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[dc]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[be]BL[20]OB[5]C[trumpet [3k\]: nathing at oll
sophtpaw [4k\]: and b's outer influence?
]
;W[de]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[ci]BL[20]OB[5]C[phar0e [4k\]: its well worth something
]
;W[id]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[ge]BL[20]OB[5]
;W[gf]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[hc]BL[20]OB[5]C[trumpet [3k\]: but q9 good place and f4 somehow overconcentrated
]
;W[if]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[jc]BL[20]OB[5]C[Impaired [1d\]: w added some moves to hurt b influence
gosta [4k\]: closing a group is always good, isnt it?
]
;W[bd]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[cl]BL[20]OB[5]C[kash [4d\]: did b have a play at n1 before q2?
]
;W[bl]WL[20]OW[5]C[Oloril [2k\]: you're the 4d, tell us :)
Impaired [1d\]: now b cant make eyes if cut at l7 and surrounded
suboptimal [5k\]: nothing is always good
gosta [4k\]: ^^
]
;B[bk]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[bm]WL[20]OW[5]
;B[bc]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[ce]WL[20]OW[5]C[kash [4d\]: Oloril, from w play, I guess the group was dead, the question is how
]
;B[bf]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[ad]WL[20]OW[5]C[Vesikauhu [4d\]: capturing all opponent stones is always good.
DnFBlitz [1k\]: i think N4, O4, N1, O1, P3 would have made ko
veilChen [4d\]: n4
]
;B[ff]BL[20]OB[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: b'coz n1 later can atari
suboptimal [5k\]: except killing something the other player is trying to make live
veilChen [4d\]: forcing false eye
gosta [4k\]: but in the beginning, closing the enemy group is good
]
;W[gb]WL[20]OW[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: not if the group in your originally moyo
]
;B[hb]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[gg]WL[20]OW[4]C[darkboy [3k\]: exactly
]
;B[eg]BL[20]OB[4]C[Oloril [2k\]: if it was dead before q2 why play at e7? high dans are so confusing
]
;W[qf]WL[20]OW[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: ^^
]
;B[pf]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[pg]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[qg]BL[20]OB[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: maybe speedwagon not counting
veilChen [4d\]: coz blitz time
]
;W[pe]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[of]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[qd]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[oe]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[qe]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[qc]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[pc]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[od]BL[20]OB[4]C[norg [5k\]: s17
]
;W[rc]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[qb]BL[20]OB[4]C[norg [5k\]: :D
]
;W[rb]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[pb]BL[20]OB[4]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: norg: you've played this game before?
]
;W[rg]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[qh]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[km]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[jn]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[kl]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[pm]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[qm]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[mj]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[nj]WL[20]OW[4]C[norg [5k\]: I played baduk a couple of times, and a few years back I had a game of weiqi :)
sophtpaw [4k\]: q7?
]
;B[nk]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[ni]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[oh]BL[20]OB[4]C[tuupp: is roln studying go abroad?
]
;W[pi]WL[20]OW[4]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: norkg
]
;B[ph]BL[20]OB[4]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: norg: yes, those games are very similar ^^
]
;W[nh]WL[20]OW[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: baduk=wei qi=go
sophtpaw [4k\]: lol
]
;B[kj]BL[20]OB[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: xD
]
;W[ng]WL[20]OW[4]C[darkboy [3k\]: yes  tuupp in korea a heard
norg [5k\]: ;)
]
;B[og]BL[20]OB[4]C[tuupp: k, thx
]
;W[jj]WL[20]OW[4]
;B[kk]BL[20]OB[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: roln russian
darkboy [3k\]: sure
]
;W[dh]WL[20]OW[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: speed wagon a vehicle
darkboy [3k\]: lol
yoshizawa [2k?\]: huh
]
;B[ch]BL[20]OB[4]C[poirette [1d\]: lol
]
;W[jk]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[jl]BL[20]OB[4]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: what was used to cross america going west?
chrpa [1d\]: locomotive
JustA [5k?\]: well, Unless it's REO Speedwagon
veilChen [4d\]: who's leading now?
]
;W[ef]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[fg]BL[20]OB[4]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: before locomotive; that came later
]
;W[dg]WL[20]OW[3]C[DnFBlitz [1k\]: horses
]
;B[df]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[ee]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[ei]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[eh]WL[20]OW[3]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: and speedwagons!
]
;B[fh]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[fi]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[gh]BL[20]OB[4]C[chrpa [1d\]: really?
]
;W[di]WL[20]OW[3]C[veilChen [4d\]: horses with wagon behind
]
;B[dj]BL[20]OB[4]C[DnFBlitz [1k\]: hmm, and before horses?
]
;W[ej]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[cg]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[ei]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[gi]BL[20]OB[4]C[darkboy [3k\]: feet
chrpa [1d\]: carts?
veilChen [4d\]: 11 transport, which is our legs
]
;W[ek]WL[20]OW[3]C[JustA [5k?\]: Space Ships?
veilChen [4d\]: teleport
JustA [5k?\]: you forget, history is circular
]
;B[dk]BL[20]OB[4]C[Kirby [2k\]: i like roln111's avatar
spencerf [2k\]: c17?
chrpa [1d\]: it was a long ago space ships
]
;W[ih]WL[20]OW[3]C[JustA [5k?\]: yea
]
;B[gk]BL[20]OB[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: right
JustA [5k?\]: Did you know the egyptians had light bulbs?
veilChen [4d\]: wondering how it looks like
veilChen [4d\]: really?
tuupp: avatar is made in red alert style to me
]
;W[il]WL[20]OW[3]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: he sees the Tsar Bomba
JustA [5k?\]: Yep
veilChen [4d\]: light bulb
]
;B[jm]BL[20]OB[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: it was whose invention?
Kirby [2k\]: it looks to me like his avatar is observing destruction
chrpa [1d\]: tomas alva edison
]
;W[gm]WL[20]OW[3]C[fabregas [-\]: not a mushroom?
]
;B[hl]BL[20]OB[4]C[veilChen [4d\]: but justa said egypt has it before that
JustA [5k?\]: He's observing Speedwagon?
chrpa [1d\]: i see
indianayk [5d\]: what will happen if b plays at b18?
]
;W[hk]WL[20]OW[3]C[uppsala [1d\]: edison was egyptian?
JustA [5k?\]: Ancient Egyptians had Light bulbs
sophtpaw [4k\]: egypt had atom bomb?
]
;B[gl]BL[20]OB[4]
;W[hm]WL[20]OW[3]C[JustA [5k?\]: no idea
veilChen [4d\]: maybe
khkgbv: nice
JustA [5k?\]: they powered the bulbs with what's called a poor man's battery
topcat [7k\]: yeah, there are hieroglyphs showing it(light bulb)
GocchiSama [1k\]: cut
JustA [5k?\]: It was knowledge guarded by the priests
veilChen [4d\]: ooo
]
;B[im]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[ik]WL[20]OW[3]C[veilChen [4d\]: i'm interested in that
veilChen [4d\]: got the links?
JustA [5k?\]: google it
chrpa [1d\]: still guarded i guess :)
veilChen [4d\]: ok try it now
]
;B[fl]BL[20]OB[3]
;W[el]WL[20]OW[3]C[topcat [7k\]: sorry, it was on a documentary i watched
topcat [7k\]: i cant remember the name
veilChen [4d\]: i thought they got battery
Kirby [2k\]: haha
veilChen [4d\]: but not bulb?
eurogotv [1k\]: h10
Kirby [2k\]: i can'gt see a way for blak to get out
sophtpaw [4k\]: the game is actually quite interesting
]
;B[hj]BL[20]OB[1]C[veilChen [4d\]: this game nice to watch ^^
]
;W[ij]WL[20]OW[3]C[kash [4d\]: game over
sophtpaw [4k\]: f7 only chance
]
;B[fm]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[gj]WL[20]OW[3]C[veilChen [4d\]: ko
liusasori [1d\]: f7 f6 
]
;B[fj]BL[20]OB[1]C[JustA [5k?\]: They had the light bulb
liusasori [1d\]: f6 g6 ?
RabbitDuck [1d\]: cool
JustA [5k?\]: And a number of other things
]
;W[fn]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[gn]BL[20]OB[1]C[veilChen [4d\]: my internet not workling today
veilChen [4d\]: can't google
RabbitDuck [1d\]: go roln kill
]
;W[hn]WL[20]OW[3]C[JustA [5k?\]: We know they worked with electro-magnitism
DnFBlitz [1k\]: did you know the egyptians had google too?
exact [7d\]: w is dead
]
;B[en]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[hi]WL[20]OW[3]C[Oloril [2k\]: google reveals that it's a theory, there is some evidence pointing towards the idea
liusasori [1d\]: e6 g5 
veilChen [4d\]: yes i know
]
;B[fo]BL[20]OB[1]C[exact [7d\]: ah
exact [7d\]: ko then
]
;W[gj]WL[20]OW[3]
;B[mn]BL[20]OB[1]C[khkgbv: O_O
FreeDoom [1d\]: why ko?
liusasori [1d\]: f9 big
sophtpaw [4k\]: ignore
maiotis: 2 other things they had was beer and senet
sophtpaw [4k\]: f9 shoot!
]
;W[fk]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[mo]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[fn]WL[20]OW[2]C[sophtpaw [4k\]: hahaha
]
;B[ld]BL[20]OB[1]C[veilChen [4d\]: wow
khkgbv: lol...
sophtpaw [4k\]: much better transaction for w
]
;W[hp]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[hq]BL[20]OB[1]C[JustA [5k?\]: I'm willing to believe it, the idea isn't really far fetched at all
]
;W[jd]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[kd]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[me]WL[20]OW[2]C[JustA [5k?\]: I mean, how bloody hard is it to make a cathode light bulb, and a battery
veilChen [4d\]: can't see how w can keep up now
]
;B[md]BL[20]OB[1]C[JustA [5k?\]: Acid, copper, bam
veilChen [4d\]: no justa
]
;W[db]WL[20]OW[2]
;B[ra]BL[20]OB[1]C[veilChen [4d\]: in the ancient time
khkgbv: why didn't black g5 when he had the chance before?
veilChen [4d\]: like the pharoahs time
topcat [7k\]: easy when you know how :-)
]
;W[rj]WL[20]OW[2]C[veilChen [4d\]: i know they got battery
]
;B[rh]BL[20]OB[1]
;W[sg]WL[20]OW[2]C[veilChen [4d\]: but not bulb as i know?
]
;B[se]BL[20]OB[1]C[JustA [5k?\]: Bulb is easy, It's supposedly how they lit the pyramids
veilChen [4d\]: coz light bulb neet vacuum
veilChen [4d\]: how they can vacuum things in the ancient time?
reprisal [2d\]: i thought they used CFL for the pyramids
veilChen [4d\]: like 10000 bc
reprisal [2d\]: to save on power bill
roln111 [8d\]: thx
speedwagon [8d\]: thx
sophtpaw [4k\]: what happened?
veilChen [4d\]: this's a incredible strong transport
sophtpaw [4k\]: how does top die?
Kirby [2k\]: i thought w would do s14 to connect
GocchiSama [1k\]: T12 no?
darkboy [3k\]: nno
kvazistatt [7k\]: t12 s14 ?
sophtpaw [4k\]: t12, i thought so too
poirette [1d\]: t12 - s14
Kirby [2k\]: i thought just s14 first.  if b does t12, w t16
veilChen [4d\]: no need
Clare [1d\]: t16
veilChen [4d\]: he's looking for a place to resing
sophtpaw [4k\]: Kirby you should have pm'd w
MeliMato [2d\]: it doesnt die
veilChen [4d\]: they're strong man
sophtpaw [4k\]: why does w resign?
Clare [1d\]: t16 life
veilChen [4d\]: do they rematch
veilChen [4d\]: not enough
veilChen [4d\]: and die a lot
sophtpaw [4k\]: i am curious what happens at top right
Novalys [3k\]: T16 t14
Novalys [3k\]: it's not life
Clare [1d\]: t14 s15 life
Novalys [3k\]: T16 s14 sorry**
sophtpaw [4k\]: can someone clone game and show me?
Clare [1d\]: oof yeah
Kirby [2k\]: lol
veilChen [4d\]: t14 t12
Novalys [3k\]: We can't clone game if people are still in here
Novalys [3k\]: It's dead
veilChen [4d\]: s15 t16
sophtpaw [4k\]: argh
Novalys [3k\]: it's 6k tsumego
Novalys [3k\]: ^^
veilChen [4d\]: it's 8dan tsumego xD
Novalys [3k\]: loool
Kirby [2k\]: well, s14 keeps it alive it seems to me
veilChen [4d\]: tjc is on
Novalys [3k\]: S14 T16
veilChen [4d\]: let's watch his game
Clare [1d\]: then why white not s14
Kirby [2k\]: then connect with t12
Clare [1d\]: t12 connect
Novalys [3k\]: T12 does not connect
Novalys [3k\]: damn are you all trolling...
sophtpaw [4k\]: s14 t12 t18 
sophtpaw [4k\]: novalys, i don't get it :/
Kirby [2k\]: i am not trolling, t12 does connect
reprisal [2d\]: s14 s16
reprisal [2d\]: try that
sophtpaw [4k\]: then w t12?
Kirby [2k\]: s14 s16 t12 t11 s11 
reprisal [2d\]: then you lose half of it
reprisal [2d\]: in gote
Kirby [2k\]: you lose two stones, but you live
Kirby [2k\]: with the rest
reprisal [2d\]: its like a 15 point loss
reprisal [2d\]: and sente for b
liusasori [1d\]: you loose the corner
reprisal [2d\]: resignable
sophtpaw [4k\]: yea, you lose a little of your tail but w is alive and connected - why resign/
Kirby [2k\]: i'm just saying it's alive because of the connection
reprisal [2d\]: you lose the tail and all 6ish points w had there before
liusasori [1d\]: you loose around 10 points in gote
reprisal [2d\]: its huge huge huge
Kirby [2k\]: yeah, there is a point loss, i agree
reprisal [2d\]: if the game was anywhere near close before it is over
sophtpaw [4k\]: ok, i thought w was ahead with big kill on left
Kirby [2k\]: but black also killed o4
sophtpaw [4k\]: true
Kirby [2k\]: to be honest, i didn't count, though
Kirby [2k\]: lol
sophtpaw [4k\]: i thought it was an exchange which favoured w though
sophtpaw [4k\]: and top right only 6pts
sophtpaw [4k\]: shocking end
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