(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[0.00]TM[1200]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
PW[bigbadwolf]PB[roln111]WR[9d]BR[8d]DT[2009-04-21]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[bigbadwolf [9d\]: hello
roln111 [8d\]: hi
dkhn: this was only for roln
]RE[0]
;B[pd]BL[1188.364]
;W[dd]WL[1196.905]
;B[qp]BL[1178.347]
;W[dq]WL[1191.93]
;B[do]BL[1173.749]
;W[op]WL[1173.331]
;B[fp]BL[1168.612]C[Dreamlight [15k\]: Watching the überdans play.
]
;W[qq]WL[1164.698]
;B[fr]BL[1165.041]C[DnFBlitz [1k\]: they like different corners
]
;W[bo]WL[1121.542]
;B[cp]BL[1161.161]
;W[bp]WL[1117.383]
;B[cq]BL[1159.069]
;W[bq]WL[1111.689]
;B[cr]BL[1144.975]C[DnFBlitz [1k\]: this seemed nice of w, now b seems overconcentrated
]
;W[cl]WL[1105.626]C[Cool007 [2k\]: overcrowed
Travis [-\]: c7 instead of c2?
Tiesto [2d\]: but white low and gote
Tiesto [2d\]: so it evens out
DnFBlitz [1k\]: good point, tiesto
Impaired [1k\]: wow i forgot about the ewhole concept of overconcentration
]
;B[kq]BL[1099.578]C[Dau [6k\]: cause it's superstitious voodoo :)
Impaired [1k\]: now that i know about overconcentration i should be a stone stronger
DnFBlitz [1k\]: w spent one less move in the lower left, i guess it's about fair
Target [1d\]: well b had more stones there to begin with
kgkugg: l3 weird
thekaiser [1k\]: no
pinpingho [-\]: not at all
]
;W[rp]WL[1057.229]C[Dreamlight [15k\]: b was too aggressive in the corner?
]
;B[qo]BL[1093.212]
;W[ro]WL[1053.867]
;B[pq]BL[1091.835]
;W[pp]WL[1052.697]C[DnFBlitz [1k\]: i also find it weird... an extension from a place where b is already overconcentrated?
]
;B[qn]BL[1089.664]
;W[qr]WL[1052.186]C[DnFBlitz [1k\]: maybe it's far enough to make it ok
kgkugg: yep
]
;B[on]BL[1075.615]C[Zvi [3k\]: yum , a wolf's game
Zvi [3k\]: and roln :
Zvi [3k\]: o
artboy598 [6k\]: what books would any of you dan players reccomend for a player(me) whose strength is is about 6k-5k?
artboy598 [6k\]: or lower kyu players
jeffywhite [1k\]: come up to shodan
Target [1d\]: attack and defense
thekaiser [1k\]: n3
lodro [1k\]: breakthrough to 4 kyu
Exar [1k\]: kageyama's fundamentals is good for any rank really.  aside from that, attack and defense and any tsumego book
mint [4d\]: Hikaru no Go Vol. 5
TheWise [-\]: lessons in fundamental by toshiro kageyama
Exar [1k\]: maybe direction of play too
kob [3d?\]: play more
jeffywhite [1k\]: lol mint
Dau [6k\]: everybody claims direction of play made them stronger...
lodro [1k\]: not direction of play
kob [3d?\]: you'll get the moves from playing stronger peopelk
kob [3d?\]: *people
Impaired [1k\]: ask questions about the game while you watch
]
;W[jc]WL[936.709]C[Yurial [6k\]: listen to go books on tape while you sleep
Zvi [3k\]: who wrote that ?
]
;B[cf]BL[1068.5]C[Yurial [6k\]: lol
Tiesto [2d\]: i got strong through lifting weights
Dreamlight [15k\]: q10 extension works for b here?
artboy598 [6k\]: I need books while I'm at school or on the buss and cannot play
Travis [-\]: practicing life and death for reading skill can't hurt?
liebesleid [1d\]: w already ahead?
DnFBlitz [1k\]: i found practicing L&D in the bus satisfying
mint [4d\]: for 5k, I would recommend "Igo Hatsuyoron" for your bus trips.
]
;W[cd]WL[895.882]C[lodro [1k\]: master of go
liebesleid [1d\]: isnt that too hard ?
kgkugg: mint that's hard
TheWise [-\]: indeed its good for tsumego
katsumi [-\]: i'd like to recommend Understanding how to play Go 
katsumi [-\]: by Yuan Zhou
nouziller [1d?\]: u should play more tsumego
artboy598 [6k\]: about how many problems a day would be good factoring in school and HW?  Also, thx for the advice
DnFBlitz [1k\]: i had these very nice korean go academy problem books, without solutions.  i think they brought me from 11k to 1k
katsumi [-\]: anywhere from 1-100, artboy
saodiseng [5d\]: you must be joking, katsumi
liebesleid [1d\]: it should have their solutions
TheWise [-\]: i do about 300 to 400 but maybe less for you
Travis [-\]: isn't igo hatsuyoron for high level or pros?
pruls [10k\]: what is the difference between c16 and c15?
DnFBlitz [1k\]: no solution seemed excellent for me, as it makes you read it out very exactly, but others may think differently
Cookies [3k\]: c15 corner still open
mint [4d\]: c15 kicks c14 and c16 doesn't.
WaterAndGo [4k\]: c15 leaves the aji of c17
artboy598 [6k\]: c15 leaves weakness
TheWise [-\]: there is problems for all the ranks in  it
liebesleid [1d\]: haha
jeffywhite [1k\]: hey, i have some books by yuan zhou
jeffywhite [1k\]: the style of play series
Zvi [3k\]: where can black go from here ?
pruls [10k\]: tks
DnFBlitz [1k\]: C11 or F15 now?  what is more reasonable?
]
;B[ef]BL[941.114]
;W[dg]WL[889.502]C[lodro [1k\]: do you like them jeffy?
]
;B[df]BL[936.084]C[jeffywhite [1k\]: yes
mint [4d\]: f16
jeffywhite [1k\]: im most like go seigen
]
;W[ci]WL[869.834]
;B[fd]BL[933.057]
;W[fe]WL[868.061]C[mint [4d\]: dont flatter yourself jeffywhite.
Travis [-\]: hey dnf do those books have the same problems as the korean go academy on gobase.org?
jeffywhite [1k\]: i meant style
jeffywhite [1k\]: not substance
]
;B[ee]BL[920.559]
;W[ed]WL[864.136]C[Aliens243 [5k?\]: no komi new zeland rules, interesing!!!
Dreamlight [15k\]: g15 ladder works?
thekaiser [1k\]: read takemiya
jeffywhite [1k\]: i have that one
Dau [6k\]: no komi is weird indeed
mint [4d\]: sum must have bribed bigbadwolf to use this ruleset for promotion.
jeffywhite [1k\]: i tried it, but it didnt work
thekaiser [1k\]: the only one i have because it is low price
WaterAndGo [4k\]: takemiya is bad to improve
MatsuMisu [4k\]: f17?
thekaiser [1k\]: it's only to give you the spirit
oonicks [?\]: more reasonable hard to tell
pruls [10k\]: is someone abble to explain "ladder" to me?
gantis: you are 10k..
BlitzOff [9k\]: 0_0
TheWise [-\]: ...
Dreamlight [15k\]: Look it up as Sensei's. :D
artboy598 [6k\]: I just found Igo Hatsuyoron on KGS ENCLAVE!
jeffywhite [1k\]: thewise
Greens [1k\]: yeah whats a laddeer??
pruls [10k\]: i see often people using that term but..
WaterAndGo [4k\]: hikaru no go vol.5 for the ladder explanation
jeffywhite [1k\]: is that you
kgkugg: google it on senseis
Dreamlight [15k\]: Heh, or Hikaru no Go.
MatsuMisu [4k\]: chapter of tome 5
tmtyioh [7k\]: ladder would be black g15, and white running
mint [4d\]: b should man up and play f17 already
Greens [1k\]: would i get stronger if i watched hikaru again?
katsumi [-\]: one of the best ways to improve for me personally was not doing anything go related 
kurikuri [2k\]: no
pruls [10k\]: hum, i see, tks tmtyioh
MatsuMisu [4k\]: ladder = shisho ?
Dreamlight [15k\]: Yeah, running right into p6 potentially but a high dan would not be so careless.
Impaired [1k\]: b stones are looking kind of twisted
katsumi [-\]: for a while
]
;B[ge]BL[783.395]C[Novalys [3k\]: i don't understand "break through 1d", they should write "break through 9p" everyone would buy it
kurikuri [2k\]: "watch hikaru no go, lose two stones in strength"
]
;W[fc]WL[859.64]
;B[ff]BL[782.412]
;W[gc]WL[855.573]
;B[cn]BL[781.496]C[artboy598 [6k\]: why?
MatsuMisu [4k\]: why take this stone if she is on a ladder
]
;W[bn]WL[841.251]
;B[cm]BL[780.091]
;W[bm]WL[839.136]
;B[dl]BL[779.055]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: for G17 ?
Dreamlight [15k\]: o.O @ kurikuri
]
;W[ck]WL[836.054]
;B[np]BL[777.313]C[mint [4d\]: because the ladder breaker could suck
Target [1d\]: Greens I've seen it almost 8 times now.. doesn't really make me improve unfortunately
]
;W[nq]WL[830.618]
;B[mp]BL[775.944]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: k thanks ^^
]
;W[mq]WL[824.323]
;B[lq]BL[774.708]C[oonicks [?\]: dfn i think playing upward is better style or mayb f17 then
Impaired [1k\]: i go up about a stone every time i watch hikaru no go
mint [4d\]: like holding a hot potato
StarCraft2 [3d\]: fake moyo
artboy598 [6k\]: kurikuri, why do you lose stregnth by watching HnG?
BlitzOff [9k\]: I want a season 2, sigh...
juicepig [6k\]: foyo
Impaired [1k\]: or is it the other way around
StarCraft2 [3d\]: season 2 with no sai?
StarCraft2 [3d\]: stupid
BlitzOff [9k\]: no, def sai!
MatsuMisu [4k\]: or not ^^
StarCraft2 [3d\]: hng ending stupid
Dreamlight [15k\]: Season 4 with no Sai.
Novalys [3k\]: maybe he just lost his real stones
BlitzOff [9k\]: he comes back :)
Fiara [6k\]: ...
embeck [5k\]: starcraft...why fake?  to easy to reduce?
StarCraft2 [3d\]: coming back would be stupider
kgkugg: w low
Novalys [3k\]: and each time he watches hng, he loses 2 more
Fiara [6k\]: How about season two sai's history
embeck [5k\]: too easy...?
gantis: big stork fan here
mint [4d\]: Sai gets replaced with Casper.
]
;W[hf]WL[751.993]C[Dreamlight [15k\]: Sai disappears towards the end of season 3.
pruls [10k\]: b moyo seems pretty big, isn't it?
DnFBlitz [1k\]: oh no dreamlight, you spoiled it for me!
MatsuMisu [4k\]: hum casper big player of go everybody know ...
BigDoug [-\]: let's keep the comments about the game please
jeffywhite [1k\]: sai leaves!
]
;B[he]BL[737.547]C[mint [4d\]: this looks slightly overplay...
artboy598 [6k\]: I don't get W last move
MatsuMisu [4k\]: G17 white ?
StarCraft2 [3d\]: "lets keep comments blablabalbalablablabalalbal"
StarCraft2 [3d\]: ban me now
StarCraft2 [3d\]: dumbass
Dreamlight [15k\]: It's hard to grok dans sometimes, especially überdans like these two.
High55 [6d\]: w win
Dervish8a [2k\]: hahahhahaha
artboy598 [6k\]: I don't get w last move
HonFu [1k\]: quick delivery
Dervish8a [2k\]: hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Dervish8a [2k\]: yea go starcraft
MatsuMisu [4k\]: please
WaterAndGo [4k\]: w seems too agressive
]
;W[ie]WL[690.118]C[pruls [10k\]: w inside now
kurikuri [2k\]: I liked starcraft :/
DnFBlitz [1k\]: i guess w wants to make it hard for b to live, so he can get profit --
kgkugg: it's just a probe
]
;B[if]BL[728.762]
;W[hg]WL[686.701]C[embeck [5k\]: high55...could you briefly describe your analysis on why w win?  Thanks
MatsuMisu [4k\]: dans , G17 w good move ?
]
;B[ig]BL[720.634]C[Travis [-\]: yeah i'm guessing white's trying to attack black to get into the center
anapazapa [2d\]: where is StarCraft?
]
;W[hh]WL[679.12]C[BlitzOff [9k\]: banned
waterfalls [2k\]: agree with Travis
WaterAndGo [4k\]: w wins because he is bbw, everyone knows that, but atm he seems to be overplaying
mint [4d\]: g17 is not good move, its an urgent move.
Travis [-\]: big doug is spanking him
BigDoug [-\]: gentlemen, I'm gong to boot people for non-game chat
waterfalls [2k\]: .... and a sure way to reduce the bottom moyo
]
;B[ih]BL[687.746]C[HonFu [1k\]: big doug - youll be alone in here :)
]
;W[hi]WL[654.039]
;B[id]BL[686.135]C[Dreamlight [15k\]: And you'll not be booting everyone, do you realize that?
]
;W[je]WL[651.208]
;B[jd]BL[685.255]
;W[ke]WL[650.626]
;B[kd]BL[677.706]C[jer [5d\]: cut$
mollycat [8k\]: some of us appreciate comments about the game by people who know what they have to say
Impaired [1k\]: cut
DnFBlitz [1k\]: cut now?
DnFBlitz [1k\]: seems... difficult to cut
GodComplex [?\]: WaterAndGo, Roln is very strong. I would not say theat you can assume BBW will win.
hiss [1k\]: cut cut cut
]
;W[hd]WL[623.294]C[Impaired [1k\]: yeah b will furikawari
jer [5d\]: cuuuuuut
]
;B[le]BL[673.728]C[hiss [1k\]: yeah!
Impaired [1k\]: take points on the right
]
;W[kf]WL[620.219]C[jer [5d\]: and shape
Impaired [1k\]: but cut is big
Novalys [3k\]: resign move 68 :p
DnFBlitz [1k\]: big & big fight
jonak [9k\]: bigdoud, that's easier to ban people discussing the game!
]
;B[ld]BL[634.067]C[Dau [6k\]: l12
High55 [6d\]: sure, jonak!
]
;W[kh]WL[612.177]C[getgo [3k\]: b give up h15
High55 [6d\]: Bigdoug is like kogobo
mach1 [-\]: please keep coments related to the game
Dau [6k\]: so w wins
spencerf [2k\]: how come there is so much difference between 8d and 9d?
High55 [6d\]: ok w win
Novalys [3k\]: can b win now ?
Uberdude [3d\]: it is fun to kill ponnukis
]
;B[ii]BL[595.861]C[youuuu: i see one eye for b 
youuuu: can anybody find the other
anapazapa [2d\]: the game is the game. aéways
jer [5d\]: b already give up about winning the game
]
;W[eh]WL[592.103]C[youuuu: he seems to have missplaced it
MatsuMisu [4k\]: J17 black big move isn't it ?
Dreamlight [15k\]: b L13?
High55 [6d\]: w win sure
Uberdude [3d\]: sure j17 is big
Impaired [1k\]: w can play it safe
spencerf [2k\]: only one eye
Uberdude [3d\]: but not urgent
]
;B[hj]BL[564.905]C[thekaiser [1k\]: n still have a big potential
thekaiser [1k\]: B*
BlitzOff [9k\]: whats urgent? killing H11?
]
;W[kj]WL[580.978]C[Dau [6k\]: if life was fair k15 would die
]
;B[jj]BL[557.534]C[waterfalls [2k\]: perhaps black can win even loosing f14
sasa86 [5k\]: life never is fair
High55 [6d\]: gees dog figure
MatsuMisu [4k\]: B15 , B12 for black give him the life no ?
pruls [10k\]: b's moyo is quite reduce now
vomFass [1k?\]: f11 needed?
getgo [3k\]: m9
gryn [1d?\]: in what way is black going to win after losing d14?
waterfalls [2k\]: g12/g14 sente now
High55 [6d\]: hey dude
]
;W[fi]WL[500.108]C[Dau [6k\]: the normal move
]
;B[kk]BL[549.091]
;W[lj]WL[495.267]
;B[lk]BL[534.164]C[jer [5d\]: hey jude
Impaired [1k\]: b getting moyoed
High55 [6d\]: jer come play
]
;W[nj]WL[476.115]C[Novalys [3k\]: m10
Novalys [3k\]: n*
jer [5d\]: no playing is not funny
jer [5d\]: watching is nice
Novalys [3k\]: f9 big too
jer [5d\]: i can say omg b is losing so badly
b8matt [9k\]: bbw pic is waaay better than roln111's
High55 [6d\]: u r like gal
High55 [6d\]: gee
BigDoug [-\]: please keep the comments about the game only
youuuu: roln better
youuuu: he has intense eye
lilosergey [4k\]: l13 
Dreamlight [15k\]: Game looks about even here?
youuuu: symbolizes concentration
Novalys [3k\]: F9 urgent or not ?
High55 [6d\]: big bad wof is going to kill
]
;B[pj]BL[428.453]C[xxxstar [8d\]: c14 dead then w+ 30
WaterAndGo [4k\]: f9 big, not urgent
]
;W[mk]WL[466.397]
;B[mi]BL[424.711]
;W[mj]WL[463.339]C[jer [5d\]: i can't believe bbw is younger than me
Dreamlight [15k\]: That looked reckless.
Dreamlight [15k\]: the n11 move.
Impaired [1k\]: its urgent to keep messing with this w group
pruls [10k\]: i can see one gote eye for c14
petrichor [25k\]: nice to see the big bad wolf in white's picture celebrating the holiday with a fat hit
]
;B[lg]BL[397.672]
;W[kg]WL[459.532]
;B[ml]BL[386.419]C[juicepig [6k\]: lol
NeoNemesis [-\]: lol
Dreamlight [15k\]: XD
jungle [1d\]: no
Nael: nice position for B here
Impaired [1k\]: w upper right is enormous
ketchup [-\]: this is a nice position?
sib [5k\]: m12 first was better forb?
Impaired [1k\]: upper left
b8matt [9k\]: upper right?
Novalys [3k\]: upper left you mean
b8matt [9k\]: the other right...Ahhh
kgkugg: if b gets f9 it woult be great
ketchup [-\]: p13~
WaterAndGo [4k\]: watch out for bbw's tesuji
Benev [2k\]: is  the cut at k9 possible?
WaterAndGo [4k\]: he's going to pull out at least two
gryn [1d?\]: black is still playing because he has to go to bed after this game
Impaired [1k\]: k9 is lol
gryn [1d?\]: k9 would be totally igs
iPwnNoobs [3k\]: k9 is kyusuji
Dau [6k\]: simple no...
Uberdude [3d\]: n13 or something eyeish
ringer: black 10pts better dispite loss at f14
lodro [1k\]: not destructive enough
Impaired [1k\]: i want w to play k9 now because you mentioned it
Novalys [3k\]: no need for eye, just libs
thekaiser [1k\]: i was looking at o13
mint [4d\]: no good follow up here
geezer [6k\]: next w move is wildfire?
mint [4d\]: also, did b just add time for w?
spencerf [2k\]: hmm, b's getting something now
nothing [8k\]: b way ahead
gryn [1d?\]: yeah sure
ketchup [-\]: you people are crazy, counting points fo rblack already
geezer [6k\]: w huffs and puffs
youuuu: sure
gryn [1d?\]: black has whatever SE says he has obviously
Dau [6k\]: it is a lot of points already
onlybelief [2k\]: b by 80
jer [5d\]: i bet on connection problem or toilettes
]
;W[nh]WL[226.032]C[oonicks [?\]: if w lives probably win
geezer [6k\]: the winning move
oonicks [?\]: my opinion
MatsuMisu [4k\]: or notxD
Chocoretas: this is really intense
Impaired [1k\]: w cant die. b just try to be effective attacking it
geezer [6k\]: b can resign now
mint [4d\]: n13
gryn [1d?\]: b can't resign he doesn't want to go to bed early
]
;B[oh]BL[328.342]C[geezer [6k\]: the street lights are already on
genuis [1k\]: i don't think black really intend to kill white
Dau [6k\]: it's past 4 am in russia i think
gryn [1d?\]: not in hawaii
youuuu: what is roln eye looking at
lodro [1k\]: he's like the wyoming cowboys, he wants to kill himself a wolf
Dreamlight [15k\]: What part of Russia?
genuis [1k\]: he's doing a pretty big moyo in the mintime
onlybelief [2k\]: b by 69
MatsuMisu [4k\]: even if w leave b make a lot of point
Dreamlight [15k\]: Russia is so big it needs 11 timezones.
Dau [6k\]: any
iPwnNoobs [3k\]: roln looking at explosion
Dau [6k\]: so?
Impaired [1k\]: roln eye looking at nuclear test explosion
]
;W[oi]WL[179.562]
;B[pi]BL[326.635]C[gryn [1d?\]: and china is so big it has just one!
mint [4d\]: in russia, go plays you.
]
;W[og]WL[176.331]
;B[ph]BL[325.4]
;W[lf]WL[175.384]C[oonicks [?\]: mo if he locks up very well he mat also be ahead, but i think w wont live that small easily
oonicks [?\]: no<
Shizumaru [6k\]: oO
]
;B[mf]BL[309.861]C[oonicks [?\]: will
Chocoretas: this is really intense
gryn [1d?\]: omg ftw bbq!
lodro [1k\]: are you on shrooms
CSchack [4k\]: do you have something against shrooms?
masek [-\]: Tea
masek [-\]: Green tea
gryn [1d?\]: no, he's jsut hungry
BigDoug [-\]: please keep the comments only about this game
lodro [1k\]: why would I?
Uberdude [3d\]: w gonna get r17!
masek [-\]: r17 open for invaassion
scortius [?\]: r17 still open
]
;W[nf]WL[98.352]C[gryn [1d?\]: open for business, oh yeat.
gryn [1d?\]: yeah*
Uberdude [3d\]: hmm
dsdsr: XD
Uberdude [3d\]: is this really so great
Uberdude [3d\]: b might juet p17 in sente or whatever
vomFass [1k?\]: what was wrong with n13?
onlybelief [2k\]: why is b's eye red?
kgkugg: how would f9 be defended?
youuuu: is roln an insomniac
kgkugg: or f8
Impaired [1k\]: f9 by g8. maybe f8 works tho
scortius [?\]: you know the high dans only come out at night
w1zzle [9k\]: f9 is pretty huge lookin
masek [-\]: Roln has 11 o clock :)
Impaired [1k\]: not as big as r17
scortius [?\]: virtually extinct due to the staggering number of kyus and low dans
masek [-\]: soon Lunch :)
w1zzle [9k\]: w seems so far behind...
Impaired [1k\]: j17 is huge also
ringer: black needs 25pts or more in top corner to win
]
;B[me]BL[173.714]
;W[mg]WL[94.989]
;B[pg]BL[169.097]
;W[qc]WL[88.044]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: boom xD
Uberdude [3d\]: victory!
idontknow [3d\]: 3-3 ALWAYS lives =O
]
;B[ni]BL[153.581]
;W[oj]WL[81.563]C[CSchack [4k\]: always?
]
;B[mh]BL[152.297]C[mattmisk [9k\]: not quite always
gryn [1d?\]: except when it doesn't.
idontknow [3d\]: yes always
]
;W[ng]WL[77.135]
;B[ne]BL[151.012]C[DnFBlitz [1k\]: of course!  but does this live too?
]
;W[lh]WL[74.526]C[Silvan [11k\]: in this position it should
]
;B[of]BL[150.018]
;W[li]WL[73.984]C[youuuu: strong
DnFBlitz [1k\]: oh, it does!
uuffy: at least when there are no other 3rd line moves anywhere around
]
;B[pb]BL[147.589]C[Uberdude [3d\]: kill
gryn [1d?\]: like when they play q18
hiss [1k\]: impossible
CSchack [4k\]: it's the move to kill...
Chocoretas: this is epic... wow
getgo [3k\]: f9?
Uberdude [3d\]: i tihnk w good chance to die
Impaired [1k\]: w is going to get j17 in sente or something
scortius [?\]: s15 
Uberdude [3d\]: so what can w get in exchange?
mint [4d\]: w lives in ko
Silvan [11k\]: now that the black wall is solid that's difficult to live
Impaired [1k\]: j17 and stuff
CSchack [4k\]: darn if I know if it will work, but...
gryn [1d?\]: uberdude door number 2
idontknow [3d\]: a brick house once the pig comes out of it?
w1zzle [9k\]: f9 seems larger than j17
Impaired [1k\]: f9 smaller
]
;W[el]WL[30]OW[3]C[w1zzle [9k\]: to my newbie eyes at least :x
Shizumaru [6k\]: this game is impresionant
Impaired [1k\]: b has lack of libs on m16
Kirby [2k\]: impresionant?
MatsuMisu [4k\]: why F9 if you can E8 :(
Dau [6k\]: making a few threats first.
Uberdude [3d\]: if w has j17 then r17 more likely to live
hemb [2k?\]: s
Chocoretas: I thinks it's french
Impaired [1k\]: thats why j17 is gona be sente i
Shizumaru [6k\]: heuheuehue
lodro [1k\]: f7?
waterfalls [2k\]: f8?
bstok [?\]: s6
Tiesto [2d\]: h17 might be a good exchange for b
BlitzOff [9k\]: yeah, i like S6
A51 [3k?\]: e7
ringer: black can hold at g7 and is enough
Impaired [1k\]: may7be b can j17
gryn [1d?\]: white just needs to play yose and he wins
Impaired [1k\]: that might helpo make sure r17 dead
thekaiser [1k\]: g8 or sthg like that
Shizumaru [6k\]: i create this now
trantran07 [4k\]: R9
]
;B[be]BL[32.81]C[Impaired [1k\]: lol. wow
DnFBlitz [1k\]: agreed!
trantran07 [4k\]: R9 for W
jer [5d\]: goteee
uuffy: b wants a sente eye on the side?
Tiesto [2d\]: j17 is gote tho.. so not possible now
Dau [6k\]: hardly wow, i'm betting this is for ko threats too.
idontknow [3d\]: where's the ko?
lodro [1k\]: b can live, eh?
]
;W[hc]WL[30]OW[2]C[Dau [6k\]: in the corner
Impaired [1k\]: ah. b was thinking aoub j17
Rocker [4d\]: go shhikshin
Kirby [2k\]: why not j17 instead of h17?
tromp [-\]: 1 gote eye gone, 2 to go
Tiesto [2d\]: h17 is cool move
Kirby [2k\]: oh oops
OfEternity [4k\]: g8 seems huge
Impaired [1k\]: prevent g16 from being sente kirby
Exar [1k\]: because j17 still eaves g16 as a forcing move
Kirby [2k\]: yeah
Tiesto [2d\]: kirby because it eliminates the g14 eye
Shinichi56 [-\]: i dont understand h17 -_-
]
;B[fl]BL[30]OB[3]C[CSchack [4k\]: there's still a lot of huge left
OfEternity [4k\]: close enough
MatsuMisu [4k\]: g8 w ? :)
gryn [1d?\]: it removes an eye and is played on the outside
]
;W[lr]WL[30]OW[2]C[A51 [3k?\]: e7
Impaired [1k\]: h17 also lowers the value of b j17
]
;B[bh]BL[30]OB[3]C[Silvan [11k\]: Why M2?
]
;W[ch]WL[30]OW[2]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: yose move i think
Shinichi56 [-\]: no fuseki ;)
taylorgrey [?\]: what is yose?
OfEternity [4k\]: end game
MatsuMisu [4k\]: M2
]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[3]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: Q9 big for w
gryn [1d?\]: it's what i say, but what yose is different.
Impaired [1k\]: i dont see b living
Novalys [3k\]: but black is dead so why does he do this ?
]
;W[bc]WL[30]OW[2]C[Rocker [4d\]: b won?
MatsuMisu [4k\]: ko threat
OfEternity [4k\]: yeah theres some more technical definition than endgame
taylorgrey [?\]: oh
idontknow [3d\]: yose?
Kirby [2k\]: well, that depends on your definition of endgame
]
;B[dk]BL[30]OB[3]C[Kirby [2k\]: lol
taylorgrey [?\]: claiming that last few points, shaping up with shape....
mdf116 [1d\]: yose is endgame
mpluie [5k\]: k9 for white
hemb [2k?\]: that b group isn't alive is it?
Uberdude [3d\]: not for pedants
hemb [2k?\]: c14?
tromp [-\]: b is curious how many ko threats can be wasted there:)
uuffy: there's yose and oyose
thekaiser [1k\]: b read so far..
taylorgrey [?\]: pedants?
Uberdude [3d\]: endgame is the period of the game at the end
idontknow [3d\]: yes, that's about as good a definition as i can think of, a simple translation to another language lol
]
;W[cj]WL[30]OW[2]C[taylorgrey [?\]: pedants would be the lecturers, wouldn't they?
Kirby [2k\]: if you say yose is different than endgame, then just define endgame as yose
w1zzle [9k\]: b13?
Impaired [1k\]: b create daji to close off moyo
Uberdude [3d\]: yose are the moves which enlarge your rettirory a little and reduce opponents, defning the borders
sib [5k\]: b11
uuffy: there's yose and oyose
]
;B[bi]BL[30]OB[3]C[taylorgrey [?\]: ok....perfect uberdude
Uberdude [3d\]: they are typically played in the endgame
Silvan [11k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Yose
uuffy: oyose just means large endgame
taylorgrey [?\]: making loose groups tie their shoes
taylorgrey [?\]: ...in sente
Impaired [1k\]: c13
]
;W[bj]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[kr]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ek]WL[30]OW[2]C[uuffy: b endgame so good
Silvan [11k\]: epic defeat for w
Uberdude [3d\]: b sacrifice was nice, from thwe attack he solidified 4th line hige corner
anapazapa [2d\]: enlarge your rettirory now fo only $42
]
;B[fk]BL[30]OB[3]C[OfEternity [4k\]: i generally use yose to refer to small yose
]
;W[em]WL[30]OW[2]C[lodro [1k\]: Roln won the last game
youuuu: w can exploit any aji in upper right?
]
;B[fm]BL[30]OB[3]C[Dau [6k\]: ah jeez
Uberdude [3d\]: oh come on bigdoug, we are talking about go that is realted to the game
Kirby [2k\]: careful with arguing
]
;W[nl]WL[30]OW[2]C[Impaired [1k\]: yes the reason to talk about game is to learn
FootofGod [4k\]: be carefly. Admins love the banhammer
URmajesty [3k\]: Howdy
idontknow [3d\]: uberdude is right though kirby
]
;B[mm]BL[30]OB[3]C[Kirby [2k\]: it doesn't matter if he's right.  an admin said something
]
;W[en]WL[30]OW[2]C[FootofGod [4k\]: uberdude is 100% right
BigDoug [-\]: gentlemen, there are 350 people watching -- you can chat about go terms in another room if you wish
Shinichi56 [-\]: uberdude president
youuuu: i've been kicked twice during and presumbly a third time
Carrot [9k\]: haha
]
;B[ic]BL[30]OB[3]C[Impaired [1k\]: uberdud is also person who chats about go game more than almost all
]
;W[eo]WL[30]OW[2]C[FootofGod [4k\]: i just think the bold was a little bit much
]
;B[ep]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[co]WL[30]OW[2]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: is uberdude tartrate?
FootofGod [4k\]: i think everyone knows you're an admin
Stonedance: wolf plays with style
MatsuMisu [4k\]: tartarate is the best.
MatsuMisu [4k\]: -a
Dau [6k\]: oh this is great :)
Shinichi56 [-\]: res?
Dau [6k\]: nice combo
Silvan [11k\]: wow
kurikuri [2k\]: lol
b8matt [9k\]: very nice by w
katsumi [-\]: a6
kurikuri [2k\]: d3 !
katsumi [-\]: s6
]
;B[dp]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[ib]WL[30]OW[2]C[mpluie [5k\]: i wish to see bbwolg playing with a Pro
Impaired [1k\]: b got j17 tho and its still very big
]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[hb]WL[30]OW[2]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: you think he read that a few time ago xd
mpluie [5k\]: wwfolf
mpluie [5k\]: bbwolf :))
]
;B[fn]BL[30]OB[2]C[idontknow [3d\]: you can look up games between bbw and mingjiu jiang then mpluie
Shinichi56 [-\]: w will win by ten 
OfEternity [4k\]: q9 seems good sente for white
Sandalphon [5d\]: whites big, but black has enormous threats, I think this is going to black
]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[pf]BL[30]OB[2]C[Silvan [11k\]: w is behind by a good amount I think...
CSchack [4k\]: fun...
MatsuMisu [4k\]: T8 monkey slide
Chocoretas: what happened to the guy who was on shrooms
]
;W[pc]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ob]BL[30]OB[2]C[Silvan [11k\]: w needs to make that corner live, I think
A51 [3k?\]: he got high?
CSchack [4k\]: is T8 the best idea with the connection S5 has, though?
URmajesty [3k\]: who is stronger? BBD or BD?
mpluie [5k\]: where can i find that games idontknow?
Greens [1k\]: b must think behind
Greens [1k\]: i mean w
URmajesty [3k\]: BBW****
Shinichi56 [-\]: i think t8 is wrong
]
;W[oc]WL[30]OW[2]C[kgkugg: s6 > t8 cause r7
]
;B[nc]BL[30]OB[2]C[Greens [1k\]: need sente on monkey
coolbabe [5d\]: w not behind
shika12 [-\]: go bbw
Mihan [4k\]: r8 ish is better
shika12 [-\]: ;o
]
;W[qb]WL[30]OW[2]C[power20K [7k\]: R18
MatsuMisu [4k\]: i can eat mor point with T8 ?
Zener [1k\]: that area is small, people
Zener [1k\]: B can't prevent both directions
hiss [1k\]: s16 
Shinichi56 [-\]: gg power20k !!!!
Stonedance: the m12 group looks not so efficient (in my humble newbie opinion), was that inevitable
lodro [1k\]: lives
ChemBoy613 [1k\]: can white actually live back here?
bstok [?\]: r16
Sandalphon [5d\]: w has to live outright, ko won't cut it...
]
;B[qd]BL[30]OB[2]C[coolbabe [5d\]: trash play there
Shinichi56 [-\]: gg bstok !!!
hiss [1k\]: s16 s15 s18 ?
Silvan [11k\]: that's what happens when your opponent pushes you out of shape
shika12 [-\]: hane
]
;W[rd]WL[30]OW[2]C[lodro [1k\]: trash talk there
CSchack [4k\]: and that shape doesn't look so alive
]
;B[re]BL[30]OB[2]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: gg shika12 !!
ringer: black can let white live thens6 and win
shika12 [-\]: ?
Zener [1k\]: tenuki
Fiara [6k\]: S19
shika12 [-\]: lol
Stonedance: ok silvan
masek [-\]: s6 
coolbabe [5d\]: trash is trash
Fiara [6k\]: T20
Impaired [1k\]: lol ringer no b can just kill this
]
;W[nm]WL[30]OW[2]C[Zener [1k\]: yay tenuki heh
Silvan [11k\]: wah
coolbabe [5d\]: nothing good can be out
]
;B[nn]BL[30]OB[2]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: R8
Dau [6k\]: b+5
waterfalls [2k\]: stonedance: roln worked hard to get M12 closed in, few will know, what was "inevitable" there
hvk [-\]: R8
getgo [3k\]: r8
hiss [1k\]: I don't think w alive in corner. maybe he's dead?
Shinichi56 [-\]: r8 s9 i guess
Zener [1k\]: I still say R8 is small
]
;W[qk]WL[30]OW[2]C[A51 [3k?\]: l 27
Greens [1k\]: whoa
DragonXiao [16k\]: white alive in corner
MatsuMisu [4k\]: i works with S6
shika12 [-\]: no
Silvan [11k\]: R9?
hiss [1k\]: misclick?
MatsuMisu [4k\]: good move :(
kurikuri [2k\]: r9 is good
Mihan [4k\]: w dead. ko at best. 
MatsuMisu [4k\]: no 
Silvan [11k\]: I guess that works
uuffy: wow
idontknow [3d\]: no, r9 fine
]
;B[qj]BL[30]OB[2]C[DragonXiao [16k\]: white is alive
shika12 [-\]: best not even ko mihan
MatsuMisu [4k\]: if b Q9
MatsuMisu [4k\]: w S6
Uberdude [3d\]: so, who thinks bigdoug was appropriate in bolding and kicking me for giving a definition of yose?
DragonXiao [16k\]: awahite...
Shinichi56 [-\]: thx kurikuri i was not sure
DragonXiao [16k\]: nvm...
getgo [3k\]: s9
Impaired [1k\]: there is no ko in upper right
idontknow [3d\]: he kicked you for that?!?!?
BlitzOff [9k\]: whatever, just drop it
masek [-\]: g10 
Rocker [4d\]: b won?
Zener [1k\]: Uber, BigDoug is always appropriate, you should know by now
HiwaKaoru [9k\]: Drop it. . .
Uberdude [3d\]: yes
shika12 [-\]: lol...
]
;W[qe]WL[30]OW[2]C[idontknow [3d\]: did he give a warning before kicking you?
Dreamlight [15k\]: p16?
Carrot [9k\]: hehekicked again
MatsuMisu [4k\]: for time ?
coolbabe [5d\]: still trash
anzb1711 [4k?\]: uberdude, go servers are not a democracy...  the rules are whatever they say they are
lodro [1k\]: you r back pretty soon tho
coolbabe [5d\]: ugly
mcw01 [11k\]: Maybe he was, Uber, maybe he wasn't. But he will definitely be justified in starting an argument here,
Impaired [1k\]: im disappointed to hear that uberdude. you are one of the biggest contributors to ontopic kibitz
Silvan [11k\]: I think w is ahead
onlybelief [2k\]: r9 is a very good move
Dreamlight [15k\]: s17 coutneratack?
]
;B[rc]BL[30]OB[2]C[xxxstar [8d\]: close... 
Carrot [9k\]: he's gone now
mcw01 [11k\]: justified in kicking you for*
Shinichi56 [-\]: hopefully this is a free server
]
;W[od]WL[30]OW[2]C[indianayk [5d\]: I believe the trash playing is due to time management
]
;B[pe]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[rb]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[sd]BL[30]OB[2]C[terriblego [1k\]: wtf is w doing
hiss [1k\]: l18 
shika12 [-\]: b wins semeai :s
CSchack [4k\]: free unless you want KGS+
elfking [5k\]: wow
MatsuMisu [4k\]: i gain time
coolbabe [5d\]: n17 near by?
Kirby [2k\]: hmmm
MatsuMisu [4k\]: he*
coolbabe [5d\]: b no need to do this
High55 [6d\]: b is ok
Impaired [1k\]: w is try to give l18 some more sting
Kirby [2k\]: n18?
High55 [6d\]: b win win
Shinichi56 [-\]: and lose ko threats
]
;W[kb]WL[30]OW[2]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: n17 if anything
coolbabe [5d\]: w getsa ko?
shika12 [-\]: lol
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i guess this is the best w can do
]
;B[kc]BL[30]OB[2]C[High55 [6d\]: coolbabe
Rocker [4d\]: why they just goon play  yose and finish the game asap
High55 [6d\]: long time on see man
power20K [7k\]: n18
Rocker [4d\]: why dont*
shika12 [-\]: maybe white is still burnt from beating jie li
coolbabe [5d\]: hi high
Greens [1k\]: guess b18 useless?
A51 [3k?\]: n18
trantran07 [4k\]: N17
anapazapa [2d\]: m18
lodro [1k\]: it is interesting 
BUM [6d\]: n17
coolbabe [5d\]: m18
ChemBoy613 [1k\]: when did white play jie li?
coolbabe [5d\]: ?
Shinichi56 [-\]: sure greens
Impaired [1k\]: if m18 works...
shika12 [-\]: ?
shika12 [-\]: chem?
MatsuMisu [4k\]: B2 , S9
shika12 [-\]: you didn't see the game?
A51 [3k?\]: yes m18
]
;W[lb]WL[30]OW[1]C[coolbabe [5d\]: sure it works
MatsuMisu [4k\]: S9 good move no ?
Kirby [2k\]: maybe you mean artem?
kopca [1d\]: high u got married?
shika12 [-\]: UMBC tournament
ChemBoy613 [1k\]: i was busy at the time
]
;B[mb]BL[30]OB[2]C[A51 [3k?\]: cool
Silvan [11k\]: that's bold
]
;W[ja]WL[30]OW[1]C[shika12 [-\]: ahk
shika12 [-\]: i'll load teh game for you after this?
Impaired [1k\]: nice reduction
Mihan [4k\]: thats just endgame. 
power20K [7k\]: O19
coolbabe [5d\]: s17 was stupid
A51 [3k?\]: nice induction
xxxstar [8d\]: b leading 10~15 now
]
;B[lc]BL[30]OB[2]C[saodiseng [5d\]: bbw did not play at UMBC
bstok [?\]: t18
shika12 [-\]: yes he did...
shika12 [-\]: i was there
]
;W[dn]WL[30]OW[1]C[A51 [3k?\]: did not
saodiseng [5d\]: did not
MatsuMisu [4k\]: F5 sente
Silvan [11k\]: isn't w leading?
shika12 [-\]: did too
BigDoug [-\]: gentlemen, keep the discussion about the game please
A51 [3k?\]: did not
A51 [3k?\]: uhuh
onlybelief [2k\]: b by 12
BigDoug [-\]: stop it A41
HiwaKaoru [9k\]: So, who's leading?
shika12 [-\]: hm
power20K [7k\]: o1O  no?  4 W
]
;B[mr]BL[30]OB[2]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: N2 big for b
]
;W[nr]WL[30]OW[1]C[newboot [3d\]: someone have SE
MatsuMisu [4k\]: yeah \\o
newboot [3d\]: ?
Dau [6k\]: it's close eitherway
power20K [7k\]: o16
Shinichi56 [-\]: o/
saodiseng [5d\]: big doug is this a tournament game? 
DragonXiao [16k\]: black leading it seems
]
;B[ls]BL[30]OB[2]C[taylorgrey [?\]: p9
taylorgrey [?\]: ?
A51 [3k?\]: that is 51 lol
Silvan [11k\]: not too big cuz it's gote
MatsuMisu [4k\]: F5
b8matt [9k\]: se says b +13
newboot [3d\]: thx
HiwaKaoru [9k\]: SE = liar
OfEternity [4k\]: b appears to be leading
Dau [6k\]: se is on crack, and r9 is not dead
shika12 [-\]: s9 before p9
Silvan [11k\]: Se is wrong
Shinichi56 [-\]: f5 sucks
]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: it's sente move
taylorgrey [?\]: aji on R9 is awesome
b8matt [9k\]: but that doesn't count the seven points it is giving b for b14 area...
]
;B[nd]BL[30]OB[2]C[Mihan [4k\]: r9 is gonna die is b plays q9. 
Shinichi56 [-\]: please play big move and not sente move to improve
Warfreak2 [4d\]: couldn't white have played o16 first
coolbabe [5d\]: s9
taylorgrey [?\]: w p9
MatsuMisu [4k\]: S9 bigger than Q9 ?
shika12 [-\]: n18*
MatsuMisu [4k\]: yes ^^
]
;W[rn]WL[30]OW[1]C[bstok [?\]: over
MatsuMisu [4k\]: B cry
]
;B[rk]BL[30]OB[2]C[trantran07 [4k\]: R7
Dau [6k\]: yes r7 simple
czajan [1k\]: w+ 2.5?
Greens [1k\]: bad
Zener [1k\]: r7 p5
]
;W[br]WL[30]OW[1]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: r7 not a good idea coz its gote
Dau [6k\]: oh
]
;B[rm]BL[30]OB[2]C[trantran07 [4k\]: right ^^
MatsuMisu [4k\]: Q9
MatsuMisu [4k\]: C1 sente?
thekaiser [1k\]: r7 not really gote
shika12 [-\]: :(
fallenimp [3d\]: b2?
Impaired [1k\]: s7 was needed
]
;W[ql]WL[30]OW[1]C[shika12 [-\]: i think b wins
OfEternity [4k\]: I wanna say b+1 or 2
waterfalls [2k\]: q9-r8
]
;B[rl]BL[30]OB[2]C[cacho [4k\]: Black is winning by 20 or more
MatsuMisu [4k\]: you craszy
Shinichi56 [-\]: r7 p5 p3 > gote 
xxxstar [8d\]: more like 10.
]
;W[pl]WL[30]OW[1]C[OfEternity [4k\]: well thats clearly not tru cacho
Greens [1k\]: roln solid play
cacho [4k\]:             :)
MatsuMisu [4k\]: bad shape
Warfreak2 [4d\]: good shape
A51 [3k?\]: I wanna say b+300
DragonXiao [16k\]: ...
Dau [6k\]: like shape matters in endgame
HiwaKaoru [9k\]: ?
CSchack [4k\]: it's endgame, though
]
;B[fj]BL[30]OB[2]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: C1 sente ><
Impaired [1k\]: shape matters the most in endgame
forexforex: who is winning?
]
;W[ej]WL[30]OW[1]C[Dau [6k\]: no, the least
thekaiser [1k\]: and s8
Dreamlight [15k\]: b+~25.
Novalys [3k\]: c1 gote
Sandalphon [5d\]: white captured a lot, but black had so many ko threats, it kinda wasted white's chances at invasion
Warfreak2 [4d\]: c1 not sente in the slightest
Zener [1k\]: this shape gives points, so it's good =)
shika12 [-\]: shape matters most at any point in the game
]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[bstok [?\]: q9\\
]
;W[fo]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[go]BL[30]OB[2]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: yeah F5 xd
]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: lol
Silvan [11k\]: c1 is kindof sente
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, it's gote
CSchack [4k\]: B1?
Kirby [2k\]: i think w can win
Silvan [11k\]: oh wait, it's gote
lodro [1k\]: me too
coolbabe [5d\]: s3?
xxxstar [8d\]: o1.
Impaired [1k\]: shape shows its value the most in endgame i should say
HiwaKaoru [9k\]: in the sens it isn't sente. . .
HiwaKaoru [9k\]: *sense
BUM [6d\]: looks like b won
]
;B[cc]BL[30]OB[2]C[taylorgrey [?\]: and when you're making life at the beginning of the game, no?
DragonXiao [16k\]: but new shape... doesn't really matter
]
;W[cb]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[Stonedance: i like the j7-moyo 
coolbabe [5d\]: ko is big
Atticus [?\]: p5
Impaired [1k\]: no taylorgrey. normally you dont die all over 
]
;W[gj]WL[30]OW[1]C[xxxstar [8d\]: g10
]
;B[gk]BL[30]OB[2]C[vomFass [1k?\]: what is this ko worth?
getgo [3k\]: is b winning?
]
;W[gi]WL[30]OW[1]C[shika12 [-\]: p2 big
Zener [1k\]: I don't get it, W can connect the ko at j19
thekaiser [1k\]: but h14 was really great
pfitz6977 [9k\]: yes by at leastg 20
OfEternity [4k\]: b win by more than a couple if wins ko clean
lodro [1k\]: close isn't it?
]
;B[bs]BL[30]OB[2]C[Nael: g4 ?
Shinichi56 [-\]: p2 o1 ?u_u
katsumi [-\]: white wins
MatsuMisu [4k\]: SE B + 9 :s
xxxstar [8d\]: o1.
Sandalphon [5d\]: Zener: white can't afford to give up sente and points
taylorgrey [?\]: what is SE?
xedover [6k?\]: what about w b13?
Atticus [?\]: p2 is small 
xxxstar [8d\]: ha
]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[coolbabe [5d\]: ko winner wrap?
MatsuMisu [4k\]: SE = estimation
]
;B[bb]BL[30]OB[2]C[shika12 [-\]: for the ko..?
]
;W[dc]WL[30]OW[1]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: computer estimation with cgoban ^^
]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[A51 [3k?\]: o9
Dreamlight [15k\]: That looks reckless.
ketchup [-\]: game too close to count~
indianayk [5d\]: i believe b lost too much in the upper right and low left
Zener [1k\]: Sandalphon: I thought there were bigger points on the board, but thanks for the expl.
ketchup [-\]: w + 0.5/ 1
waterfalls [2k\]: options -> Score Est.
pfitz6977 [9k\]: I don't think W can win
mpluie [5k\]: m8, k9, h9, g6, g4, weak points
Dau [6k\]: you can't trust SE with this ruleset
ketchup [-\]: learn to use Options > rules
hiss [1k\]: w+1
]
;W[qm]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[oo]BL[30]OB[2]C[erkkierkki [9k\]: JIGO
saodiseng [5d\]: oops
]
;W[oq]WL[30]OW[1]C[DragonXiao [16k\]: jigo not possible...
Shinichi56 [-\]: new zeland hmm
MatsuMisu [4k\]: M19
saodiseng [5d\]: white mistake
lonsan [2k\]: it is possible
jungle [1d\]: JIGO
getgo [3k\]: m19?
Silvan [11k\]: it's gonna be within a few points
fallenimp [3d\]: no oops like that for wolf w wanted cut
godsaun [4k\]: ogij
]
;B[mn]BL[30]OB[2]C[DragonXiao [16k\]: wait... nvm
Impaired [1k\]: jigo possible with this ruleset, but jigo = w win
]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: was sente uhu
Dau [6k\]: no, jigo = qigo
kungfuli [2k\]: W+ 3
Dau [6k\]: jigo
kungfuli [2k\]: o tjoml
]
;B[ok]BL[30]OB[2]C[Dau [6k\]: hm
kungfuli [2k\]: i think W+3
taylorgrey [?\]: OUCH
]
;W[ol]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[pk]BL[30]OB[2]C[jungle [1d\]: 4 SIMULTANEOUS JIGO
]
;W[nk]WL[30]OW[1]C[Kirby [2k\]: n6? hmm
xxxstar [8d\]: b+ 10.
jungle [1d\]: IS THAT POSSIBLE
]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[taylorgrey [?\]: what is JIGO?
kungfuli [2k\]: tie
lonsan [2k\]: tie game
katsumi [-\]: W+
ketchup [-\]: tie game
Dreamlight [15k\]: tie in score.
pfitz6977 [9k\]: q5
elfking [5k\]: lol  jungle
]
;W[rj]WL[30]OW[1]C[nogonow [3k\]: lol
MatsuMisu [4k\]: t7
coolbabe [5d\]: w too busy eating stones
]
;B[ri]BL[30]OB[2]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: lol jungle
MatsuMisu [4k\]: oh S10 ^^
]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[Silvan [11k\]: how do you figure it's a tie?
]
;B[rq]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[rr]WL[30]OW[1]C[Dau [6k\]: cause the score is equal...
Shinichi56 [-\]: by counting
]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[DragonXiao [16k\]: it isn't
CSchack [4k\]: that's the definition of Jigo
Dreamlight [15k\]: k18 kofight is getting painful to watch.
kungfuli [2k\]: i thikn white wins
Silvan [11k\]: you actually count the intersections?
kungfuli [2k\]: if i counted right
Kirby [2k\]: yes
CSchack [4k\]: we'll see how the game ends up, though
Shinichi56 [-\]: ye silvan
Over9k [2k\]: h9 ?
]
;W[cs]WL[30]OW[1]C[Dau [6k\]: i score-tooled. w is ahead tiny
Silvan [11k\]: that's a lot of work
]
;B[ds]BL[30]OB[2]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: don't ya?
OfEternity [4k\]: sticking with my b+2ish
]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ac]BL[30]OB[2]C[taylorgrey [?\]: being a dan means being slightly obsessive about GO
Shinichi56 [-\]: stop playing go then -_-
]
;W[cc]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[DragonXiao [16k\]: NZ is area scoring...
]
;W[hk]WL[30]OW[1]C[Silvan [11k\]: the game counts for me at the end
DragonXiao [16k\]: that makes a lot more sense
]
;B[ij]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[taylorgrey [?\]: just like billiards except with go it isn't muscle memory that matters
]
;B[cg]BL[30]OB[2]C[Dreamlight [15k\]: I will no obsess -- I will not obsess -- I will not obsess -- I will not obsess -- I will not obsess . . .
]
;W[ai]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[hiss [1k\]: in new zealand if score=0 => w wins ?
Dau [6k\]: no
getgo [3k\]: g6
Zener [1k\]: that's just another way to say that komi is 0.5
Shinichi56 [-\]: jigo is jigo
]
;W[jk]WL[30]OW[1]C[xxxstar [8d\]: h8l..
Silvan [11k\]: yeah, I agree zener
Impaired [1k\]: nice semedori
MatsuMisu [4k\]: captain make a jigo this afternoon
]
;B[jl]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: ye
Shinichi56 [-\]: evening*
MatsuMisu [4k\]: yeah evening sorry =)
Impaired [1k\]: next h8
Shinichi56 [-\]: :p
]
;B[ag]BL[30]OB[2]C[CSchack [4k\]: too many threats there...
]
;W[bf]WL[30]OW[1]C[lodro [1k\]: w+2
]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[DragonXiao [16k\]: the ko wouldn't be that big if it wasn't NZ rules
kungfuli [2k\]: G14 is a threat for black right?
saodiseng [5d\]: close game, but i'm guessing white needs komi to win
]
;W[gn]WL[30]OW[1]C[kungfuli [2k\]: no amtter wat rules
Shinichi56 [-\]: why that ?
kungfuli [2k\]: it's still big
]
;B[hl]BL[30]OB[2]C[indianayk [5d\]: w can not win the ko
]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[Silvan [11k\]: there is no komi
saodiseng [5d\]: looks like no komi in this game though
]
;B[gf]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[gd]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: please l19...
]
;W[ka]WL[30]OW[1]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: gg
kungfuli [2k\]: aww
Shinichi56 [-\]: thx
Over9k [2k\]: g8 ?
kungfuli [2k\]: G8 was a threat wasn't it?
katsumi [-\]: white declares victory
Chassidic [3k\]: strange game
Sandalphon [5d\]: no, white gives up :)
elfking [5k\]: 109 for white
kungfuli [2k\]: lmfao
coolbabe [5d\]: o1
uneedkomi [4k\]: n19 
elfking [5k\]: not sure black .. .
katsumi [-\]: white has won the game, buddy
]
;B[sm]BL[30]OB[2]C[Chassidic [3k\]: b has more.
]
;W[sn]WL[30]OW[1]C[taylorgrey [?\]: are they going to run out of digital stones?
]
;B[ns]BL[30]OB[2]C[saodiseng [5d\]: no komi, katsumi
]
;W[os]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ms]BL[30]OB[2]C[kungfuli [2k\]: wow
Stonedance: :)
onlybelief [2k\]: ko is trying to straignten out everything that is not a straight line
pfitz6977 [9k\]: q5
]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: lol
]
;B[pr]BL[30]OB[2]C[Sandalphon [5d\]: even with komi
]
;W[ps]WL[30]OW[1]C[Atticus [?\]: ya so black won
]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: he never resign ><
Shinichi56 [-\]: please no kooooooo
mdf116 [1d\]: isnt a 2 bigger
saodiseng [5d\]: with komi white wins
getgo [3k\]: h5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: a2 worth 1/3 point
]
;W[gp]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ho]BL[30]OB[2]C[Sandalphon [5d\]: hmm, let me count closer
CSchack [4k\]: T3 is sort of nice
]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[Dau [6k\]: 1/3? that's huge
coolbabe [5d\]: a16
Shinichi56 [-\]: sort of
]
;B[po]BL[30]OB[2]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: no move can be smaller than 1/3
]
;W[or]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[Sandalphon [5d\]: depends on the ko actually
kungfuli [2k\]: now the ko is worth almost the game
Dau [6k\]: if that's so, you should play it before dame.
kungfuli [2k\]: it's close
getgo [3k\]: b has more threats
Chassidic [3k\]: b has a good threat at a16 
dsdsr: T9
Impaired [1k\]: moves can have negative value warfreak
DragonXiao [16k\]: what is meant by 1/3?
power20K [7k\]: t9
]
;W[ma]WL[30]OW[1]C[Dau [6k\]: 3 moves to get 1 point
]
;B[na]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[dsdsr: T9
embeck [5k\]: l8?
Dau [6k\]: it's a counting strategy
Sandalphon [5d\]: with komi, if black wins the ko, he wins
MatsuMisu [4k\]: they can play the A2 ko after :p
Mihan [4k\]: means you have 33% chance to get 1 point out of it. 
coolbabe [5d\]: a16
Kirby [2k\]: i don't really get the fractional point methodology
]
;B[ad]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[af]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[nogonow [3k\]: why white do not say res?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, strictly speaking values are given to positions, not to moves, the correct moves in the local position are then said to have the value of the position
Shizumaru [6k\]: t10
kingme2 [4k\]: j19?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: negative value of a move would then mean that the best local play is to lose points, which is nonsensical
getgo [3k\]: l8
Impaired [1k\]: its because a move can threaten to gain a point, so it has fractional value
Mihan [4k\]: That didnt help at all warfreak. 
dsdsr: T9
Atticus [?\]: because white is loosing :S
getgo [3k\]: L8?
Chassidic [3k\]: t10 
]
;W[ks]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[js]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[Impaired [1k\]: if you have 2 threats then they equal 1 point.
bstok [?\]: a18
Dreamlight [15k\]: WTF?
]
;B[ab]BL[30]OB[2]C[cacho [4k\]: A2 ???
mint [4d\]: B+1
]
;W[ba]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[dsdsr: T9
coolbabe [5d\]: w win ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: or, moves can only be given values if you assume correct play
kungfuli [2k\]: u counted all the dame?
Chassidic [3k\]: g7 or t10 
]
;W[sj]WL[30]OW[1]C[MatsuMisu [4k\]: g8
Shizumaru [6k\]: g7
getgo [3k\]: b has t4
]
;B[si]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[sq]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[sr]WL[30]OW[1]C[coolbabe [5d\]: b reduce at a2
]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]C[Over9k [2k\]: lol
saodiseng [5d\]: doesn't matter the ko, with komi black loses
Silvan [11k\]: man they've been fighting over this ko forever
coolbabe [5d\]: same
Dau [6k\]: it's not necessary to count dame, unless you need to be accurate to 1 point.
Shinichi56 [-\]: but no komi !
Sandalphon [5d\]: we'll see
getgo [3k\]: g7
lodro [1k\]: interesting mirror image shape on the right
Atticus [?\]: yjerre is no komi
]
;W[gm]WL[30]OW[1]C[jpcat [4k\]: G8 :l
]
;B[ik]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[jc]WL[30]OW[1]C[saodiseng [5d\]: yes there is no komi
Sandalphon [5d\]: ??
elfking [5k\]: 178 for white 174 for black is my count  but i don't know how to count :) 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g7 doesn't cost a point?
mint [4d\]: B+1, at most..I'll say 3.
bstok [?\]: q7
Atticus [?\]: lol
coolbabe [5d\]: just a2
Silvan [11k\]: wow, that is a nice shape
Impaired [1k\]: yes g7 cost a point
Atticus [?\]: thats funny all teh 5ds were like white win with komi
Impaired [1k\]: too bad
kungfuli [2k\]: oaky
coolbabe [5d\]: same point
]
;B[la]BL[30]OB[2]C[kungfuli [2k\]: first to 181 wins okay?
kungfuli [2k\]: :P
]
;W[jb]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ma]BL[30]OB[2]C[pfitz6977 [9k\]: How can the SE be so innacurate
Atticus [?\]: everyone else is sayin no komi and they jsut repeat themselves :S
Sandalphon [5d\]: I didn't say w win+ komi :P
]
;W[ar]WL[30]OW[1]C[kungfuli [2k\]: it's New Zealand rules
]
;B[cs]BL[30]OB[2]C[coolbabe [5d\]: this way b lost a point
kungfuli [2k\]: its always in accurate
Kirby [2k\]: i think that w wins without komi
Shizumaru [6k\]: why not tt4
kungfuli [2k\]: that's why we need to count oursevles
elfking [5k\]: now definitely 178 to 174 ... i believe
]
;W[]WL[30]OW[1]C[katsumi [-\]: W wins
]
;B[]BL[30]OB[2]TW[aa][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ab][bb][db][eb][fb][gb][ac][ec][ad][bd][fd][ae][be][ce][de][ee][fe][ge][he][cf][df][ef][ff][gf][ag][bg][cg][eg][fg][gg][lg][ah][bh][dh][fh][gh][mh][bi][di][ei][mi][ni][aj][dj][ak][bk][dk][al][bl][dl][am][cm][dm][an][cn][ao][so][ap][sp][aq][pq][rq][sq][pr][qs][rs][ss]TB[oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][nb][qb][rb][sb][mc][oc][pc][qc][sc][md][od][rd][oe][qe][se][qf][rf][sf][qg][rg][sg][qh][rh][sh][qi][rj][sj][hk][jk][sk][gl][il][kl][ll][sl][gm][hm][im][jm][km][lm][gn][hn][in][jn][kn][ln][io][jo][ko][lo][mo][no][gp][hp][ip][jp][kp][lp][dq][eq][fq][gq][hq][iq][jq][dr][er][gr][hr][ir][jr][lr][es][fs][gs][hs][is][ks]C[Silvan [11k\]: new zealnd rules count area not territory
kungfuli [2k\]: omg
Warfreak2 [4d\]: pass?
saodiseng [5d\]: what?
kungfuli [2k\]: this is so exciting
Atticus [?\]: black won 
lodro [1k\]: moment of truth
Shinichi56 [-\]: lol
Kirby [2k\]: haha
Dreamlight [15k\]: Jigo!
Kirby [2k\]: oops
saodiseng [5d\]: new zealand rules isn't it?
Execute [2k\]: zomg@@@!!!!
MatsuMisu [4k\]: oh
uuffy: LOL
uuffy: b win
Atticus [?\]: tie
kungfuli [2k\]: JIGO?
lovely [5k?\]: wow man
hiss [1k\]: wow
Shana [2d\]: lol
kungfuli [2k\]: WOW!
Impaired [1k\]: wow!!
bigbadwolf [9d\]: wow thanks
khkgbv: O_O
elfking [5k\]: oooh 
dsdsr: ILLO
power20K [7k\]: WOWOWOWOWOWOWWO
Silvan [11k\]: no way
MatsuMisu [4k\]: omg ><
HiwaKaoru [9k\]: Jigo!!!
mattmisk [9k\]: XD
destroy [3k\]: !!!!
Sandalphon [5d\]: huh?
Atticus [?\]: wow
roln111 [8d\]: thx
DragonXiao [16k\]: o.O
elfking [5k\]: very nice!!!!
Execute [2k\]: amazing!!!
vvegitta [1d\]: WOW
dsdsr: xDDDDD
lovely [5k?\]: whats with all these ties today
ChemBoy613 [1k\]: what?
kungfuli [2k\]: DANG!
jpcat [4k\]: o.o.
coolbabe [5d\]: b a2 would win
nogonow [3k\]: xd
DragonXiao [16k\]: o.O
porkdog [6k\]: w00t
Shinichi56 [-\]: gg
KnifeEye [-\]: yessss
dsdsr: JODERRR
Warfreak2 [4d\]: there are 9 dame
hiss [1k\]: suoer!
pfitz6977 [9k\]: a tie
destroy [3k\]: COOL
DragonXiao [16k\]: o.O
BlitzOff [9k\]: ^^
A51 [3k?\]: cool
ChemBoy613 [1k\]: i was looking away and it's a tie
Shizumaru [6k\]: ???????????????
nogonow [3k\]: nice
dsdsr: jajajajaja
Mariane [12k\]: wow ~
Impaired [1k\]: i thought w can win if jigo
Stonedance: wow
pfitz6977 [9k\]: nice!!!
saodiseng [5d\]: they need to fill the dame
Shizumaru [6k\]: ??????????????
vvegitta [1d\]: jjajaja
mattmisk [9k\]: EPIC
getgo [3k\]: wow
Shizumaru [6k\]: ???????????????????
A51 [3k?\]: !!!!
forexforex: woooooooooooooow
Shizumaru [6k\]: ????????????????
power20K [7k\]: oOoOoOoOoOoOoO
A51 [3k?\]: !!!!
dsdsr: xD
vvegitta [1d\]: yeahhh
Shizumaru [6k\]: ??????????????????
Warfreak2 [4d\]: black could play a dame and win by one point, instead of passing
tengen86 [3k?\]: gg
destroy [3k\]: FIRST
A51 [3k?\]: KBBKLKBLKBLBLBLB
pfitz6977 [9k\]: first
dsdsr: xd
dsdsr: xd
destroy [3k\]: lol
Dau [6k\]: this means b would win if he didn't pass so early
Tiesto [2d\]: lol
kungfuli [2k\]: WOOT
dsdsr: illooooooooo
Cool007 [2k\]: professional
mcw01 [11k\]: I readit was "The game is a lie."
A51 [3k?\]: thanks
kungfuli [2k\]: mega awesomeness
b8matt [9k\]: ur kidding me
pfitz6977 [9k\]: tiesto
A51 [3k?\]: you rock
coolbabe [5d\]: black a2 would wrap the win
pfitz6977 [9k\]: hi
fudaya: what's Jigo?
dsdsr: Q PASOTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
DragonXiao [16k\]: jigo is tie...
power20K [7k\]: weam ùe up
Impaired [1k\]: oh yeah arent they supposed to fill dame with nz rules
Warfreak2 [4d\]: coolbabe, black a2 is the same value as n19
Dreamlight [15k\]: Jigo is a tie in score.
Mihan [4k\]: This rullset is retarded. 
Tiesto [2d\]: nice game
jerchan [14k\]: good
kungfuli [2k\]: black would have won by 1 point
coolbabe [5d\]: same
kungfuli [2k\]: it's 9 dame points
katsumi [-\]: should fill in dame
Silvan [11k\]: did they realize what ruleset they were playing?
katsumi [-\]: white will win by 1
Dau [6k\]: obviously not
saodiseng [5d\]: white will win by 1
Moax [4k\]: whats with this neuseeland trend
zzz [1k?\]: w pass first
Dau [6k\]: b will win, it's odd dames.
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