(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[0.00]TM[1200]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
PW[bigbadwolf]PB[LeeKibong]WR[9d]BR[8d]DT[2009-04-14]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[bigbadwolf [9d\]: hello
LeeKibong [8d\]: hi
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[1187.234]
;W[dd]WL[1196.618]
;B[qp]BL[1168.736]
;W[dq]WL[1188.422]C[WarMachine [2d\]: tatu come watch with us
]
;B[do]BL[1161.369]C[che [-\]: wait for 100 observers 
]
;W[co]WL[1139.717]C[ghool: pretty cool game
wwwkgscom [3k?\]: now wait for 110
]
;B[cn]BL[1136.91]C[che [-\]: so far nothing coo about this game
Irrdan [5d\]: d4 or mot d4
]
;W[cp]WL[1128.33]
;B[fc]BL[1134.217]
;W[hc]WL[1106.991]C[sfrex [1k\]: this will be a very good match
Bulzeeb [?\]: so far standard joseki, just wait for the omg-i-would-never-see-that-in-a-million-years joseki
Irrdan [5d\]: Jigo possible 0 kmi
Irrdan [5d\]: ooops komi
]
;B[cf]BL[1077.753]C[che [-\]: new zealand rules
]
;W[fd]WL[1075.312]C[RSG [?\]: lol, this is probably the only time that two 8 dans are playing each other, and only 23 observers are watching
che [-\]: to confuse SE
Ateares [2k\]: how is NZ rules played?
Calis [2k\]: what is special about those rules?
che [-\]: Area scoring
]
;B[cc]BL[1063.266]
;W[dc]WL[1070.617]
;B[cd]BL[1061.238]
;W[de]WL[1069.351]C[che [-\]: similar to chinese
]
;B[cb]BL[1057.644]C[Ateares [2k\]: ah
MaLa [1k\]: suicide allowed, area scoring
Ateares [2k\]: and captures reduce?
Toge [2k\]: Suicide allowed
scissor: never really understood NZ rules. under what circumstance is suicide a valid and useful move? in ko?
Jadeite [?\]: suicide is not illegal move
Ateares [2k\]: ok
jon6660 [-\]: yea go suicide ~_~
che [-\]: suicide can be ko threat
]
;W[dn]WL[1035.962]C[AWAYPAYDAY: LEE KOBONGO!
Ashe [2k\]: how?
deusfalco [2k\]: u mean stones captured?
profi [2d\]: not only
AWAYPAYDAY: bigbadwolf wins
]
;B[nq]BL[1037.966]C[che [-\]: I can show you in a demo in EGR
MaLa [1k\]: in L+D as well
MaLa [1k\]: just check sensei
]
;W[qj]WL[1028.266]C[MaLa [1k\]: there is a good example for it
]
;B[ql]BL[1033.189]
;W[qf]WL[1023.727]
;B[qh]BL[1029.858]
;W[of]WL[1019.96]C[scissor: ok. thanks
]
;B[nc]BL[1022.969]C[profi [2d\]: seki/death depends on this rule, sometimes
]
;W[rd]WL[1006.829]C[AWAYPAYDAY: chances of winning are bbw 80% : 40% leekibingo
Ateares [2k\]: thanks for the explanation everyone =)
Ashe [2k\]: -20% even
wwwkgscom [3k?\]: 20% jigo both win?
Ateares [2k\]: those odds don't make sense
]
;B[pi]BL[992.282]
;W[qc]WL[1004.37]
;B[kc]BL[989.162]C[AWAYPAYDAY: i am sorry
AWAYPAYDAY: typo
AWAYPAYDAY: 20%
]
;W[pj]WL[987.237]
;B[ni]BL[985.76]
;W[oj]WL[986.617]C[tchu [2d?\]: those odds made sense, it's the world that doesn't make sense
Irrdan [5d\]: o13 book
]
;B[ng]BL[960.527]C[Ashe [2k\]: thanls tchu ^^
MegaStrong [2k\]: ^^
AWAYPAYDAY: p8 book
Irrdan [5d\]: lets see
MegaStrong [2k\]: R6 maybe?
Irrdan [5d\]: r3?
Zalasha [1d\]: q8
AWAYPAYDAY: books say p8
]
;W[ol]WL[905.368]C[debine [11k?\]: ^^
]
;B[qn]BL[956.622]C[AWAYPAYDAY: and now r6
Irrdan [5d\]: ^^
light3 [3k\]: books?
scissor: which books?
AWAYPAYDAY: and now i say c7
America [2d\]: how boring...by the book...
Ateares [2k\]: which book
Ateares [2k\]: i need to find it, lol
]
;W[mk]WL[874.732]C[Violence [?\]: this is just a common opening, guys
saimic [4k\]: the lower side is empty
Violence [?\]: played often by pros in the early 2000s, I think
Irrdan [5d\]: o14 thuck hm
Ateares [2k\]: but i'm go illiterate
AWAYPAYDAY: Harry Potter and The Secret Fuseki
saimic [4k\]: h3 h4?
MegaStrong [2k\]: lol
dalamyst [1k\]: lol
Violence [?\]: So it's very well known
Ateares [2k\]: violence any books you'd recommend, or resources?
light3 [3k\]: i hate harry potter
scissor: the "early 2000's" sounds like ancient history
gryn [1d?\]: i hate harry potters, gardners, salesmen..
XY0908 [-\]: Very modern opening.
America [2d\]: go seigen a way of play for the 21st century
merengue [3d\]: we should censor Violence
America [2d\]: seconded
XY0908 [-\]: JeffChang, we need your comments ;-)
merengue [3d\]: I've already censored him
carrotcake [1k\]: violence is destroying our communities
gryn [1d?\]: first you must sensor it.
Violence [?\]: I dunno, I just looked at a lot of pro games
AWAYPAYDAY: i can comment all the game if you wish mr. XY1920
]
;B[gc]BL[799.684]C[stewball [4k\]: why censor Violence -- Violence are very pretty flowers -- smell almost at sweet as roses
WarMachine [2d\]: violence is right
Violence [?\]: and Jiang Mingjiu and Guo Juan often lecture about it
Ateares [2k\]: cool, i just have trouble trying to analyse them normally
khaotic [21k\]: hi
Samowar [1d\]: hi
AWAYPAYDAY: hi
Violence [?\]: well, when you see the same opening pop up in like 20 games, usually it means it's a common opening
]
;W[gd]WL[816.738]C[Violence [?\]: So I didn't really analyze it, just noted that it's common
khaotic [21k\]: bye
AWAYPAYDAY: bye
Ateares [2k\]: i get that, i'll have to watch more pro games
stewball [4k\]: a safe assumption -- but an assumption nonetheless
America [2d\]: you know what happens when you assume?
Sponge7 [-\]: greeeeeeeeeeeedy
gryn [1d?\]: h18, h16 now.
Sponge7 [-\]: h16 cmon
AWAYPAYDAY: you know the sequence for h16?
Irrdan [5d\]: hm e18?
DerGraf [2k\]: yay
profi [2d\]: d18 
Toge [2k\]: E18 better than D18?
Hahn [3d\]: just :D
dandalon [3k\]: i wonder why b played g17 and is thinking NOW (g16 answer was quite obvious)
Hahn [3d\]: cut
Daihokama [5k?\]: d18 e18 
Violence [?\]: I think D18 is better than E18
]
;B[hb]BL[639.633]
;W[ib]WL[814.136]
;B[ic]BL[637.843]C[AWAYPAYDAY: !!!
]
;W[hd]WL[809.37]
;B[jb]BL[636.922]
;W[gb]WL[808.705]
;B[ia]BL[635.414]
;W[fb]WL[808.226]C[AWAYPAYDAY: b just...
]
;B[ip]BL[630.083]C[Samowar [1d\]: b just cends with sente
Irrdan [5d\]: fine 4 b ?
gryn [1d?\]: not a bad trade
Violence [?\]: profit in endgame, I guess
Violence [?\]: White's really solid though
Violence [?\]: I don't like it
Hahn [3d\]: both safe :O
gryn [1d?\]: so is black
Samowar [1d\]: but b solid as well:)
Ashe [2k\]: good for b 
Violence [?\]: I know, but black wasn't weak to begin with
Violence [?\]: so I don't think it was necessarily favorable for black
Mihan [4k\]: I like b more. w's thickness is useless .
gryn [1d?\]: as weak, but p11 group is
]
;W[lj]WL[753.074]C[stewball [4k\]: b got that nice extension along the bottom too
Calis [2k\]: useless? 
]
;B[nf]BL[617.111]C[Violence [?\]: Black has sente, J4 is always big
Daihokama [5k?\]: m3 
Violence [?\]: White going to aim at L4?
Irrdan [5d\]: hm play sthg lower r?
Violence [?\]: probe in the corner first?
che [-\]: l3 possible?
Violence [?\]: I dunno, I don't like playing low there
Violence [?\]: just... doesn't feel right
AWAYPAYDAY: WAH
CNorris [4k\]: i wonder about the direction... why choosin M10 and not 014 ?
gryn [1d?\]: i think violence is right
AWAYPAYDAY: i left for a min and all this happens
Peiling [2d\]: l4?
AWAYPAYDAY: c7 only
Ateares [2k\]: n9 group was weaker
Zalasha [1d\]: noway, theres no komi for w, he has to try something
AWAYPAYDAY: c7 only
scissor: next time, pm bbw and ask him to wait until it's convenient for you, awaypayday...
Violence [?\]: After the top sequence, N9 got stronger
gryn [1d?\]: i forgot, new zealand white still wins on tie? and it's area scoring right?
ryot [6k\]: Black looks like the type of guy who could SERIOUSLY kick my butt....
Toge [2k\]: Tie = jigo = no one wins
gryn [1d?\]: ok
gryn [1d?\]: but area scoring right?
uhjko [4d\]: e6
Toge [2k\]: Yes
gryn [1d?\]: thanks :)
AWAYPAYDAY: c7 only
]
;W[ch]WL[538.138]C[Violence [?\]: bbw is territorial, but I don't think he's territorial enough to play C7
gryn [1d?\]: wait, i've an idea no one has repeated over and over, c7!
Ashe [2k\]: what does area scoring mean?
Fiara [6k\]: Doesn't new zealand offer suicide rules too?
Violence [?\]: ah, he's territorial, just greedier
]
;B[cg]BL[589.896]C[Fiara [6k\]: As in there are no illegal moves but ko?
]
;W[dh]WL[535.442]C[Toge [2k\]: Area = stones + territory surrounded by them
Violence [?\]: Yeah, Fiara, suicide is legal
Samowar [1d\]: very goood move, this c12
Violence [?\]: as long as it doesn't break superko
Ashe [2k\]: oh ok
Violence [?\]: helps against black C7
Daihokama [5k?\]: c12 - halfsente
Samowar [1d\]: :)
ryot [6k\]: I just tried suicide in a demo and it wouldn't let me :(
gryn [1d?\]: ryot stop trying to suicide life is worth living !
DerGraf [2k\]: ing allows suicide
espiral [1d\]: come into my demo, ryot, i will show
gryn [1d?\]: don't do it ryot!
ryot [6k\]: :o
Irrdan [5d\]: c7? hmhm
Violence [?\]: you can't violate superko with it
zekses [2k\]: espiral seems to have suicide license)
Violence [?\]: meaning, you can't suicide one stone
]
;B[kg]BL[460.127]C[AWAYPAYDAY: !?!
Samowar [1d\]: nice:))
Daoloth [-\]: very quiet move
AWAYPAYDAY: these two play moves that i would never play
sum [5d\]: B always quiet
Sponge7 [-\]: don´t like it
Ashe [2k\]: really nice indeed
Violence [?\]: that feels too slack and slow to me
Violence [?\]: I dunno about you guys, I don't like it very much
Irrdan [5d\]: me 2
AWAYPAYDAY: e6 now
gryn [1d?\]: i guess it's slack but it's not *bad*.
Sponge7 [-\]: perhaps he is teasing white because of komi
AWAYPAYDAY: if w e6 i really wanna know what b do
Irrdan [5d\]: L13exchange for ~j10 really good?
Daihokama [5k?\]: q3 
Violence [?\]: that's my thinking, Irrdan
Violence [?\]: it's like.... helps white
gryn [1d?\]: awaypayday i might have to censor you because your nick is TOO COOL.
Nefri89 [6k\]: maybe he wants to build a territory and attacking O10 at the same time, and that threathening H18
stewball [4k\]: trying to neutraliz w dominating the g14 area
Violence [?\]: But Nefri, the territory he's building is ridiculously tiny
Irrdan [5d\]: true
Nefri89 [6k\]: yes.. but 2 attacks at the same time?
Violence [?\]: How can he attack H16
gryn [1d?\]: yeah this is an influence move not a territory move
Ashe [2k\]: maybe prevents a wide white influence
dandalon [3k\]: i like L13. it dammages whites influence on top left and is a bit of a threat to the white group on the right center. furthermore it makes some territory
Violence [?\]: he just finished making that stronger
Ateares [2k\]: preventing future moyo possibility?
AWAYPAYDAY: e6 only
Violence [?\]: White's influence in top left wasn't the crucial area though
]
;W[kq]WL[349.976]C[Violence [?\]: the crucial area is the bottom
Ashe [2k\]: yeah..
AWAYPAYDAY: ah cmon
Irrdan [5d\]: if an cy kyu played this move evryone would say   bahhh
stewball [4k\]: maybe not to someone with as much insight as you have violence
Brian [1k?\]: bahhh
Irrdan [5d\]: hehe
ahwong [?\]: u chase by 13 pints , i chase by 16 points
Violence [?\]: I mean, I'm not stronger than black
Violence [?\]: which is why I have to wonder why he played L13
Irrdan [5d\]: me 2
Daihokama [5k?\]: almost m3 
Violence [?\]: but it just doesn't look good to me, seems like a kyu move
tchu [2d?\]: 13 pints? Do you walk straight after this?
ahwong [?\]: points
Violence [?\]: L3 is played instead of M3 because you don't want to play too close to black's strength
Brian [1k?\]: L13 seems to be just a single purpose move
scissor: a very STRONG kyu move, violence ;-)
Violence [?\]: haha, maybe, scissor
dandalon [3k\]: its definitley not a single purpose move o.O
AWAYPAYDAY: no violence
AWAYPAYDAY: i cant believe your statement
lkjo [1k\]: 400 players here
Daihokama [5k?\]: After m3 may ply m5, o5, j2, q3 
gryn [1d?\]: ikjo, no 400 slackers
DerGraf [2k\]: yeah
Brian [1k?\]: yes, slackers
AWAYPAYDAY: l3 for attacking j4 is for sure, but getting away from b strength sounds weird
Irrdan [5d\]: L3 hits
Violence [?\]: I think the one stone handicap is gone now
Violence [?\]: I might even prefer white
atraps: w has about 50 points
ThunderGod [4d\]: where?
Violence [?\]: 50? Where do you count 50?
gryn [1d?\]: atraps black has less cash then that.
Irrdan [5d\]: L3 hits L13 hurts :-)
gryn [1d?\]: than*
atraps: overestimate of c8 area
rayen [1d\]: w has about 250 pts!!!
rayen [1d\]: MOYO SO HUGE
atraps: no over 9000
Violence [?\]: c8's not territory
]
;B[kp]BL[219.042]
;W[jp]WL[333.203]C[Violence [?\]: bbw loves territory
Brian [1k?\]: not violent enough for you?
Irrdan [5d\]: i think b is very good at shinogie
hehehe: wat is shinogie?
]
;B[jo]BL[161.531]
;W[jq]WL[330.013]C[AWAYPAYDAY: shinogi live inside
AWAYPAYDAY: is it?
Irrdan [5d\]: life there someone else dies
hehehe: o i c
hehehe: thx
Violence [?\]: I dunno how to answer as black now
dalamyst [1k\]: m4 ?
Placebo [8k?\]: L5
gryn [1d?\]: well now we know black is serious about attacking
Violence [?\]: I would probably play J3, but I'm insane
michka [1d\]: j3
]
;B[lp]BL[100.277]C[Violence [?\]: and black isn't
hehehe: so u mean invade and kill opponent group at then end = shinogie?
Irrdan [5d\]: hm b k10 soon?
AWAYPAYDAY: shinobi
gryn [1d?\]: white will clamp or cut now?
Brian [1k?\]: shinogi
rayen [1d\]: n2  first I think
gryn [1d?\]: shinogi = ?
AWAYPAYDAY: cut
minority [1d\]: unagi
dalamyst [1k\]: i d play j5
Brian [1k?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?shinogi
Violence [?\]: I don't think that white can cut
]
;W[iq]WL[266.702]C[gryn [1d?\]: unagi is taste?
Violence [?\]: J3
AWAYPAYDAY: shinogi = naruto
Violence [?\]: only
]
;B[hq]BL[95.491]C[rayen [1d\]: w cant cut
Brian [1k?\]: unagi is sushi
]
;W[hr]WL[264.016]C[Brian [1k?\]: eel i believe
Ashe [2k\]: what a shape..
carrotcake [1k\]: eel
Violence [?\]: white doesn't want to make black thicker in the center
hehehe: yes eel
Violence [?\]: because he would hurt M10
rats [1k?\]: real men triple hane
hehehe: cuz i just had unagi don in a jap place yester
]
;B[hp]BL[60.895]C[Violence [?\]: right now, he wants black to have the two cuts associated with K5
]
;W[gr]WL[260.516]C[AurelienC [3d\]: +1 rats
AWAYPAYDAY: k6 
AWAYPAYDAY: lol
Irrdan [5d\]: K10
AWAYPAYDAY: protect both cuts
ijioj: thanks for explaining
rayen [1d\]: k10 or m8 ?
Violence [?\]: this way, when Black plays K10, white can use the cuts to help himself
ijioj: we needed that
]
;B[jj]BL[37.126]C[stewball [4k\]: l13 doesn't look so bad now does it
Violence [?\]: It... kinda does
Violence [?\]: I'd rather have it at L12
Irrdan [5d\]: if b expected this at L13 ...
Violence [?\]: that's what I meant by slack
]
;W[jl]WL[216.031]C[AWAYPAYDAY: so violence had seen it all before?
AWAYPAYDAY: you are amazing
stewball [4k\]: l12 lets the g16 stones have too much influence
]
;B[ll]BL[20.918]C[shampi [1k\]: m8 !!
Violence [?\]: influence over what?
Violence [?\]: black's stones are all solid in the area
zekses [2k\]: w resigns XD
Violence [?\]: nothing needs reinforcing
]
;W[jn]WL[185.775]C[Ashe [2k\]: wow
stewball [4k\]: over about a 20 pt area arond h14
AWAYPAYDAY: l9 !
]
;B[ko]BL[9.939]C[atraps: huge moyo for life
]
;W[hn]WL[179.926]C[Nidan [2k\]: L9
atraps: moyo appears bigger than it is
Larrave [5k\]: se saying jigoO.o
Violence [?\]: jeez...
]
;B[im]BL[30]OB[3]C[gentil [-\]: w has q12 ?
]
;W[in]WL[176.647]C[Violence [?\]: quite a fight here
rayen [1d\]: im not sure l9 is good enough for b yet
Irrdan [5d\]: L8 cash?
]
;B[qd]BL[30]OB[3]C[Violence [?\]: yeah, I think white will have to rely on Q12 to connect
PlumeMoi [1d\]: s12 connect rit?
Ashe [2k\]: ?
Irrdan [5d\]: possiböe yes hm
Sponge7 [-\]: tenuki
PlumeMoi [1d\]: surely not
Ashe [2k\]: l9
Violence [?\]: Perhaps Tabemasu will comment on this amazing game.
PlumeMoi [1d\]: i would never tenuki a 9d
PlumeMoi [1d\]: or 8d
Sponge7 [-\]: thats why u suck
Toge [2k\]: That's why you're 1d
PlumeMoi [1d\]: and you?
kafei [1k\]: lol
ThunderGod [4d\]: sponge so mean
PlumeMoi [1d\]: why are you 1k?
uzaydudugu [12k\]: i forgot everythng i knew on go, i wish i understand whats going on :(
Sponge7 [-\]: :o
gentil [-\]: black is aiming to erase the aji of  Q12
MildPeril [1d\]: then you make EVERY move of theirs sente?
atraps: if respond s18
che [-\]: you shouldn't change your playing on your opponents strength
PlumeMoi [1d\]: r16 are kind of move you dont tenuki even you dont know the purpose by you 1d high
Brian [1k?\]: unless you are trying to teach somebody
wwwkgscom [3k?\]: PlumeMoi, it was a compliment. I want to bee as high as you too
hehehe: prob tenuki is not too bad??
DerGraf [2k\]: i dont undertand this tenuki
ThunderGod [4d\]: but if the corner live after the tenuki than its ok
carrotcake [1k\]: trying to hurt q10?
Ten [5d\]: Tenuki for profit
Bulzeeb [?\]: corner oh so weak if tenuki now
gryn [1d?\]: what is j7 that seems kinda odd to me?
DerGraf [2k\]: but its not so urgent
]
;W[kk]WL[30]OW[3]C[SirKuros [17k\]: j7 was a bit weird
hehehe: just dunno how to live n9 group if not tenuki
Brian [1k?\]: 1.) Play stone.  2.) Wait for opponent to play.  3.) Tenuki .  4.) ???  5.) Profit!!!
scissor: we find out, zeeb
hehehe: still ko right?
]
;B[re]BL[30]OB[3]C[Ten [5d\]: Brian, awesome
Irrdan [5d\]: m9 left 4 later hm?
Ashe [2k\]: cant s17 live?
Brian [1k?\]: thx
]
;W[rc]WL[30]OW[3]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: ??? = get meat
]
;B[rf]BL[30]OB[3]C[Ten [5d\]: No, ??? = ???
Jadeite [?\]: hehe
]
;W[ob]WL[30]OW[3]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: for you
Biovizir [5k\]: s17 alive
]
;B[nb]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[pc]WL[30]OW[3]C[DerGraf [2k\]: ???  = wtf mates
Novalys [3k\]: thanks biovizir
rayen [1d\]: b behind now right?
rayen [1d\]: im to lazy to count
]
;B[ml]BL[30]OB[3]C[Korea4K [2d\]: b lost
Korea4K [2d\]: b played gote
Violence [?\]: there's still fight left
Violence [?\]: not yet time to declare the patient dead
carrotcake [1k\]: this isn't gote
]
;W[oi]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[oh]BL[30]OB[3]C[Bl1tzonly [18k\]: p15
maligo [4d\]: r16
maligo [4d\]: r15*
]
;W[mi]WL[30]OW[2]C[Sponge7 [-\]: BBW pwns
]
;B[nj]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[nk]WL[30]OW[2]C[Irrdan [5d\]: bc7 ?
michka [1d\]: k7 ?
hehehe: p17
carrotcake [1k\]: j5?
]
;B[kj]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[2]C[AurelienC [3d\]: c7 c9 
]
;B[hj]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[gk]WL[30]OW[2]C[Irrdan [5d\]: wow this is solid
roselia [4d\]: i'd like to choose white.
]
;B[gj]BL[30]OB[2]C[gryn [1d?\]: ?
]
;W[fk]WL[30]OW[2]C[gryn [1d?\]: black is giving the game to white?
]
;B[fj]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[ej]WL[30]OW[2]C[che [-\]: don't forget b's extraordinary yose.......
gryn [1d?\]: no need to go to yose
carrotcake [1k\]: b's yose is off the HOOK
]
;B[ei]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[dj]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[hk]BL[30]OB[2]C[Irrdan [5d\]: b j5
dalamyst [1k\]: e14 soon ?
scissor: off the hook means little when everyone has cell phones
]
;W[hl]WL[30]OW[2]C[ttyyuu: b pushing good stones for w?
Novalys [3k\]: j5
Violence [?\]: I don't understand black
che [-\]: j5 or j15 bigger for b?
]
;B[il]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[hm]WL[30]OW[2]C[hisoka51 [11k\]: ta vu la partie karl elle est super^^
PlumeMoi [1d\]: k7!
karl94 [8k\]: oaui mortel
karl94 [8k\]: ^^
dandalon [3k\]: o.O
PlumeMoi [1d\]: or l8
Violence [?\]: L8?
]
;B[kl]BL[30]OB[2]C[Goatliness [6k?\]: k7?!
]
;W[jk]WL[30]OW[2]C[karl94 [8k\]: K7!!!!
hisoka51 [11k\]: que pense tu du prochain coup tu dirai ou?
]
;B[jm]BL[30]OB[2]C[PlumeMoi [1d\]: this dont work
]
;W[ik]WL[30]OW[2]C[womack [1k\]: Everybody likes W
Ateares [2k\]: ouch
Violence [?\]: on the other side
]
;B[km]BL[30]OB[2]C[Irrdan [5d\]: haha killing this way is cool
dalamyst [1k\]: b greedy
karl94 [8k\]: dead!!
karl94 [8k\]: ^^
PlumeMoi [1d\]: w is
hisoka51 [11k\]: ouaip
gryn [1d?\]: white is going to get out of this
Violence [?\]: really?
]
;W[ij]WL[30]OW[2]C[Ateares [2k\]: nope b in trouble
Larrave [5k\]: ugly for black
ttyyuu: b doomed
che [-\]: not dead under pressure w is
karl94 [8k\]: double atari
]
;B[hh]BL[30]OB[2]C[karl94 [8k\]: ^^
Violence [?\]: black's shape is defective
roselia [4d\]: w is still alive
hisoka51 [11k\]: j'aurai fait pareil^^
Toxicwave [2k\]: j11 k11 l11 h11 j12 f11 
gryn [1d?\]: white has at least an eye if not 1.5
zuiben [1d\]: b needs a patch for j5
]
;W[mh]WL[30]OW[2]C[Ten [5d\]: White has three eyes
donGoku [5k\]: b wants d16 maybe?
karl94 [8k\]: sa m'enerve les anglais
karl94 [8k\]: ^^
stewball [4k\]: just look at how nicelyplaced L13 looks now
Biovizir [5k\]: 1,5 not enough
karl94 [8k\]: je comprend rien
zuiben [1d\]: white has ten eyes
Violence [?\]: white has 3 gote eyes that I can see
roselia [4d\]: white win
Ten [5d\]: Yes
hisoka51 [11k\]: c une partie de dingue je te le dit
]
;B[io]BL[30]OB[2]C[karl94 [8k\]: oaui et des dingue qui la regarde
karl94 [8k\]: :p
Violence [?\]: Again, stewball
Violence [?\]: I'd rather have L13 at L12
MildPeril [1d\]: mmm.... o12 looks sente...
PlumeMoi [1d\]: b should resign
]
;W[mr]WL[30]OW[2]C[hisoka51 [11k\]: bon il faut quil arrete de parler cette langue on comprend rein^^
karl94 [8k\]: xD
hisoka51 [11k\]: on aimerai bien comprendre le sens de lapartie nous^^
]
;B[nr]BL[30]OB[2]C[PlumeMoi [1d\]: cest 42
]
;W[ih]WL[30]OW[2]C[dalamyst [1k\]: :)
]
;B[ig]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[hg]WL[30]OW[2]C[Nefri89 [6k\]: mais il discutes la partie
]
;B[ii]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[jh]WL[30]OW[2]C[dalamyst [1k\]: b owned
Nefri89 [6k\]: c'est seulement toi, qui comprends rien
roselia [4d\]: game over
gryn [1d?\]: l11?
che [-\]: PWND
Sponge7 [-\]: hoho
]
;B[jg]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[ki]WL[30]OW[2]C[renart [-\]: ??
karl94 [8k\]: ba on comprend rien temp pis
karl94 [8k\]: ^^
dalamyst [1k\]: resign
Tesvivant [-\]: yes
hisoka51 [11k\]: ^^
PlumeMoi [1d\]: b can hurt up grp
donGoku [5k\]: b has e6
zuiben [1d\]: g10 dead?
]
;B[eg]BL[30]OB[2]C[hisoka51 [11k\]: blanc est baleze 
PlumeMoi [1d\]: this answer is blowin in the wind 
Tesvivant [-\]: B don't have any way 
Sponge7 [-\]: c6 died large scale lol
]
;W[gh]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[hf]BL[30]OB[2]C[Nefri89 [6k\]: hah
hisoka51 [11k\]: que va faire blanc
]
;W[hi]WL[30]OW[2]C[dandalon [3k\]: b now going after whites upper left?
]
;B[gf]BL[30]OB[2]C[Larrave [5k\]: maybe
PlumeMoi [1d\]: w in danger
Larrave [5k\]: e17 now a huge threat or
]
;W[db]WL[30]OW[2]C[Ten [5d\]: Danger, where?
PlumeMoi [1d\]: push
Ten [5d\]: I see no danger
PlumeMoi [1d\]: look
maligo [4d\]: d19
PlumeMoi [1d\]: danger is everywhere
Ateares [2k\]: i laugh in the face of danger
eviiL [-\]: no danger
]
;B[fo]BL[30]OB[2]C[PlumeMoi [1d\]: here!
nouziller [1d?\]: already aliv
zuiben [1d\]: w can make seki easily
]
;W[mq]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[mp]BL[30]OB[2]C[Violence [?\]: seki, wow
Violence [?\]: It's just alive
gryn [1d?\]: yeah it's definitely alive
Slug [4k\]: haha, funny name
hehehe: alive
Shaomi [2d\]: ko
]
;W[qe]WL[30]OW[1]C[DerGraf [2k\]: lo..l
Slug [4k\]: is that his real name?
yithril [2d\]: yeap
yithril [2d\]: bigbad J wolf
Slug [4k\]: "bigbadwolf"
]
;B[bh]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[bi]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bg]BL[30]OB[2]C[Slug [4k\]: lol 
gryn [1d?\]: black has fallen apart
zuiben [1d\]: he is Bigba D. Wolf
dandalon [3k\]: are u on drugs?
gryn [1d?\]: and not all the kings men can put him back together
Larrave [5k\]: whats bbw real rating
]
;W[ce]WL[30]OW[1]C[gryn [1d?\]: he's leaky.
]
;B[be]BL[30]OB[2]C[Violence [?\]: he's AGA 7d
yithril [2d\]: BBW is 11 d
Brian [1k?\]: bbw is pro
zuiben [1d\]: leaky-jokes died a year ago
PlumeMoi [1d\]: bbw deserve my love
gryn [1d?\]: bbw isn't pro yet
yithril [2d\]: and rightfully so
Tesvivant [-\]: BBW isn't pro
]
;W[lq]WL[30]OW[1]C[eviiL [-\]: *yawn
ttyyuu: really, isn't aga7d pretty low for bbw?
Bl1tzonly [18k\]: c11
Brian [1k?\]: he is kgs pro
renart [-\]: e6
]
;B[bj]BL[30]OB[2]C[DerGraf [2k\]: hes only aga 7d?
Daoloth [-\]: what about black e17
]
;W[np]WL[30]OW[1]C[StormRider [1d\]: was m3 so big?
yithril [2d\]: i feel Lee is off tilt today
llII [1k\]: big and beautiful?
Violence [?\]: on tilt, you mean
gryn [1d?\]: aga doesn't go higher than 7d
StormRider [1d\]: ah ... maybe big if can kill something ^^
yithril [2d\]: no, off
DerGraf [2k\]: no wait it does
scissor: bbw is #9 player on kgs. leekibong, #25
Slug [4k\]: leaky jokes died a year ago?
yithril [2d\]: yes they're dead
yithril [2d\]: gone forever
yithril [2d\]: never to return
Violence [?\]: he's rated 9.2, I think, but AGA rank tops at 7
]
;B[on]BL[30]OB[1]C[scissor: and for those who care, tartaric is 5th
Brian [1k?\]: bbw is ming jiu in real ilfe, right?
Shaomi [2d\]: p3 ?
WaterAndGo [4k\]: #1 is tartrate ?
dandalon [3k\]: lol ...
eviiL [-\]: no
Nemu91 [4k\]: no brian
Calis [2k\]: bbw is andy liu
PlumeMoi [1d\]: im 1st
Brian [1k?\]: oh, i see
Brian [1k?\]: thank you
gryn [1d?\]: NY  	9.26770  	0.28829  	4/1/2009  	Liu, Zhi Yuan [Andy\]
]
;W[bk]WL[30]OW[1]C[DonGOleone [2k\]: tartrate is #0
yithril [2d\]: mingjiu doesn't play with the filthy commoners
zuiben [1d\]: those who are now coming up with leaky-bong type of jokes, are lagging behind one year. that joke is so old already.
Slug [4k\]: its always sad when a bong breaks
gryn [1d?\]: But his *rank* is 7
gryn [1d?\]: 7d*
Brian [1k?\]: for some reason, i thought the avatar looked like ming jiu
]
;B[ci]BL[30]OB[1]C[polytope [1k\]: why aren't you calling that AGA 9d then?
DerGraf [2k\]: wouldnt that make him 9d
gryn [1d?\]: rank doesn't go over 7d.
light3 [3k\]: ming jiu plays with his deep voice
Violence [?\]: Brian, Mingjiu looks like a big brown wolf?
]
;W[no]WL[30]OW[1]C[polytope [1k\]: but clearly, it does
DerGraf [2k\]: what ever
Nefri89 [6k\]: i like leaky bong jokes
Brian [1k?\]: i guess that depends upon the observer
dandalon [3k\]: well mingjiu has its voice
thienan: who are winner?
scissor: 9d ama is special domain of internet
DerGraf [2k\]: 7d with 9d raiting
monk316 [2k\]: i wonder how tartrate compares to the 9d's now
]
;B[op]BL[30]OB[1]C[Brian [1k?\]: tartrate got pwned by mogo
dandalon [3k\]: pwned with 9hc...
light3 [3k\]: mogo is a cheater
]
;W[nn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[nm]BL[30]OB[1]C[gryn [1d?\]: i have no interest in human vs computer matches :P
Slug [4k\]: until they start discovering new joseki
eviiL [-\]: white is cool
bigben79 [7d?\]: b is far behind
Ephemere [2d\]: p5 
]
;W[oo]WL[30]OW[1]C[eviiL [-\]: white is so cool
MegaStrong [2k\]: P5 Q4?
Ephemere [2d\]: this wolf is naughty ^^
Irrdan [5d\]: p7
Ateares [2k\]: owwie
DonGOleone [2k\]: resign now?
MegaStrong [2k\]: then P7 ?
maligo [4d\]: n6
Nefri89 [6k\]: bbw should resign
]
;B[om]BL[30]OB[1]C[gryn [1d?\]: much like i have no interest in human vs computer porn, golf or tennis :P
stewball [4k\]: curtains
DerGraf [2k\]: wat
Ephemere [2d\]: q4 
dandalon [3k\]: 512 viewers, not bad
light3 [3k\]: ggggggg
PlumeMoi [1d\]: q3
]
;W[pp]WL[30]OW[1]C[zuiben [1d\]: p2 best aji?
Narutoh [1d?\]: not bad? no it is bad, bigbadwolf
GenVital [8k\]: 527
]
;B[oq]BL[30]OB[1]C[Brian [1k?\]: dang, i was stuck on move 125 by accident
]
;W[pq]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[pr]BL[30]OB[1]C[Slug [4k\]: i dunno, tennis is fun to play
]
;W[ns]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[or]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[qq]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[po]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[qr]WL[30]OW[1]C[dandalon [3k\]: w connecting under?
yithril [2d\]: so many points ost
Irrdan [5d\]: r2 backd
]
;B[mn]BL[30]OB[1]C[Brian [1k?\]: guess he will slide under
yithril [2d\]: *lost
]
;W[rp]WL[30]OW[1]C[Hutoshi [8d\]: hmm
dalamyst [1k\]: r e s i g n
]
;B[ro]BL[30]OB[1]C[Nefri89 [6k\]: this is pretty :)
zuiben [1d\]: w enjoying
donGoku [5k\]: now b fine
bainbridge [15k\]: What is BBW identity?
zuiben [1d\]: q1 can connect
bainbridge [15k\]: Anyone know?
zuiben [1d\]: and w wants more
MUCC [4d\]: hello futosi
Toge [2k\]: q1 
MegaStrong [2k\]: bigbadwolf ^^
SirKuros [17k\]: big beautiful woman
Nefri89 [6k\]: haha
]
;W[ps]WL[30]OW[1]C[Brian [1k?\]: apparently not mingjiu, but actually andy liu
Slug [4k\]: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:BBW&ei=5qnkSabbH4eetgPPypS3CQ&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[1]C[bainbridge [15k\]: -__-
]
;W[os]WL[30]OW[1]C[Nefri89 [6k\]: my hump my hump my hump my hump
]
;B[di]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[fi]WL[30]OW[1]C[Nefri89 [6k\]: ma lovely lady lump
darkboy [3k\]: XD
Hutoshi [8d\]: w very good
]
;B[bl]BL[30]OB[1]C[Hutoshi [8d\]: ^^
scissor: take it to the stupid room, please
Slug [4k\]: ya that euphomism never really worked for me
bigben79 [7d?\]: Q14
Brian [1k?\]: you have played white before, Hutoshi
]
;W[cj]WL[30]OW[1]C[Hutoshi [8d\]: yes
]
;B[ai]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[eh]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bi]BL[30]OB[1]C[Brian [1k?\]: congratulations
MUCC [4d\]: you are good player too futosi
st21 [8k\]: :D
Hutoshi [8d\]: I know he is very strong^^
]
;W[ck]WL[30]OW[1]C[harpsimon [2k\]: c 9 instead of b 11?
harpsimon [2k\]: for black?
]
;B[fq]BL[30]OB[1]C[zuiben [1d\]: w p16 not small
]
;W[ak]WL[30]OW[1]C[zekses [2k\]: w`s gonna be pwned
cbus [17k\]: 0 komi, cool
]
;B[fr]BL[30]OB[1]C[ThunderGod [4d\]: w?
]
;W[er]WL[30]OW[1]C[zekses [2k\]: w ^^
cbus [17k\]: Whats the difference with new zeeland rules?
MegaStrong [2k\]: E8 looks good no?¨
bainbridge [15k\]: Hmm, will be interesting to see a tie,
Brian [1k?\]: i want to do p16 now as white
zuiben [1d\]: i  hate to see people use the word pwned in random places
Nefri89 [6k\]: the cs language in here is just a bit over the top nerdy... please stop
hotcatclub [15k\]: how come its 0 komi?
]
;B[en]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[dm]WL[30]OW[1]C[Nefri89 [6k\]: 1337
]
;B[em]BL[30]OB[1]C[groove [2d\]: d7 better for b?
light3 [3k\]: all your bases are belong to us
toll [-\]: ...
groove [2d\]: sorry
supercow [-\]: *base
]
;W[el]WL[30]OW[1]C[bainbridge [15k\]: base*
Koons [1k\]: hotcatclub, they are using area scoring... so don't trust SE either :-)
]
;B[es]BL[30]OB[1]C[PAINsama [8k\]: d8?
Tesvivant [-\]: why komi=0
]
;W[ds]WL[30]OW[1]C[Tesvivant [-\]: ?
kitten85 [9k?\]: meow
hotcatclub [15k\]: area scoring
]
;B[fs]BL[30]OB[1]C[hotcatclub [15k\]: never heard about that
hotcatclub [15k\]: o well
Slug [4k\]: se is fine to use,just adjust the score as needed
]
;W[qo]WL[30]OW[1]C[dalamyst [1k\]: b so far behind
Koons [1k\]: actually distrusting SE is a good idea in general :-)
gryn [1d?\]: SE is bad luck
polytope [1k\]: do you know how to adjust SE for area scoring?
polytope [1k\]: it's wrong even at the end of the game
Hutoshi [8d\]: big ko...
]
;B[od]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[rg]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[rh]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[sf]WL[30]OW[1]C[light3 [3k\]: i use SE constnatly while playing a game to see how good i'm going
Sakae [-\]: I think SE is good
DerWitt [1d?\]: ??
Sakae [-\]: to get into the game
bainbridge [15k\]: Liar.
]
;B[bn]BL[30]OB[1]C[bigben79 [7d?\]: b should resign
]
;W[dp]WL[30]OW[1]C[MUCC [4d\]: Futoshi, how long have you played go ?
Slug [4k\]: well.. if the end was determined so early, and people were so much more sure then SE. wouldnt they resign?
Sakae [-\]: press it, and you see all the groups, and can easier get an overlook at the game
]
;B[eo]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[cm]WL[30]OW[1]C[aDeadman [1d\]: light3 thats poor for a 3 k
Sakae [-\]: that is, when you enter the game late
aDeadman [1d\]: start to count
]
;B[fl]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ek]WL[30]OW[1]C[light3 [3k\]: i'm only 3k because of SE
aDeadman [1d\]: in a real game u havent an SE
light3 [3k\]: otherwise I would be like 10k
Sakae [-\]: aDeadman :o
aDeadman [1d\]: u have to be SE
Brian [1k?\]: when i count points, i count in base 2
SirKuros [17k\]: what's SE :o
]
;B[qp]BL[30]OB[1]C[Sakae [-\]: counting is unecesary
Sakae [-\]: Score Estimator
Sakae [-\]: or osmething
GrobO [5k\]: godlike entity
SirKuros [17k\]: oh thanks
Nemu91 [4k\]: SE=suck estimator
]
;W[nh]WL[30]OW[1]C[aDeadman [1d\]: no definitely not
gryn [1d?\]: feel with your heart
renart [-\]: c19
GndmHmmr [1d\]: looking at se should make you play worse
]
;B[og]BL[30]OB[1]C[light3 [3k\]: special egg
Sakae [-\]: estimating is almost s good
qwazidan [4k\]: sedulous erroneator
]
;W[qo]WL[30]OW[1]C[PlumeMoi [1d\]: seems to be a good technic to waste ko threat before the ko
light3 [3k\]: soup exterminator
light3 [3k\]: serious eggplant
BabaAesop [7k\]: possibly but i bet you could write a program to make you much better at go. I twould be insane cheating but it would work
]
;B[fg]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[fh]WL[30]OW[1]C[Brian [1k?\]: what is this ko worth, 4 points or so?
]
;B[qp]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[rq]WL[30]OW[1]C[Thew [4k\]: I'd guess more than that
zuiben [1d\]: p15
gryn [1d?\]: depends on if white got to play s3
Sakae [-\]: Baba.. sad thing is that computers are weak in go :/
Thew [4k\]: 8, maybe 10
BabaAesop [7k\]: yeah
Nefri89 [6k\]: well a theory behind SE could be that if you are on top *and can't read that out yourself* then maybe sometimes you play a bit safer?
BabaAesop [7k\]: but computers with peopel
StormRider [1d\]: i think it s more cause of s7
]
;B[gs]BL[30]OB[1]C[Novalys [3k\]: j16
BabaAesop [7k\]: it would be very easy
Sakae [-\]: huh?
]
;W[ca]WL[30]OW[1]C[Novalys [3k\]: J16 looks  bigger
]
;B[ba]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[da]WL[30]OW[1]C[DerGraf [2k\]: a program that makes you better at go...sounds like an alarm clock telling you to get up early and study
]
;B[bb]BL[30]OB[1]C[Koons [1k\]: i don't think you can use SE in a game you are playing... regardless, i think you shouldn't even if you could
Nefri89 [6k\]: hah
Ateares [2k\]: b45, w79?
light3 [3k\]: darn y isn't b resigning
beeko [2k?\]: close game
light3 [3k\]: i'm gonna sleeep ;D
]
;W[ie]WL[30]OW[1]C[womack [1k\]: We should fully develop computer-assisted go
]
;B[je]BL[30]OB[1]C[donGoku [5k\]: now SE said:Jigo=equal:)
Sakae [-\]: hmm
Sakae [-\]: I'd say w is ahead with..
]
;W[if]WL[30]OW[1]C[gryn [1d?\]: 80ish versus 40ish is close?
]
;B[id]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[mg]BL[30]OB[1]C[che [-\]: SE cant count area scoring
]
;W[jf]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[kf]BL[30]OB[1]C[Sakae [-\]: hmmm
bainbridge [15k\]: Is BBW pro?
Gengiskhan [6k\]: d13 
Sakae [-\]: 20-30!
Nefri89 [6k\]: well, a score estimator- both can use. And- a score estimator learns you see how much points there are in areas, and thereby learning to see it faster
beeko [2k?\]: W+6
eviiL [-\]: lol sakae
Nemu91 [4k\]: bbw no pro
]
;W[pf]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[oc]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[pb]WL[30]OW[1]C[Irrdan [5d\]: hm bj1?
rats [1k?\]: w + 20
Sakae [-\]: nah
Sakae [-\]: w ahead with more
zekses [2k\]: i don`t care why or how but  b should win)
saimic [4k\]: J1?|
gryn [1d?\]: W+40
kyuboy [6k\]: p15 instead of q 14
eviiL [-\]: I don't think so
Koons [1k\]: maybe 20?
Sakae [-\]: I guess at 20! :o
zuiben [1d\]: w+14
Thew [4k\]: yeah, I wonder why not, kyuboy
Sakae [-\]: hi you eviiL
]
;B[rk]BL[30]OB[1]C[MegaStrong [2k\]: +milion
eviiL [-\]: I guess less, sakae ;P
Sakae [-\]: hmm really?
womack [1k\]: SE W+10 looks rt
Brian [1k?\]: i think white is like 30 points ahead
Sakae [-\]: I mean
st21 [8k\]: f7
Koons [1k\]: 10-20 :-)
Sakae [-\]: white got center
Sakae [-\]: 1 big corner
]
;W[pl]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sakae [-\]: and 1 big side/corner
eviiL [-\]: *yawn
gryn [1d?\]: 2 big corners
Nefri89 [6k\]: how u look at se now ?
eviiL [-\]: letz just wait *g*
Sakae [-\]: ye
]
;B[is]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ir]WL[30]OW[1]C[SirKuros [17k\]: but black had this famous yose
]
;B[hs]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[js]WL[30]OW[1]C[gryn [1d?\]: 12 points is enough to be called a big corner
]
;B[rj]BL[30]OB[1]C[Ateares [2k\]: haha
Sakae [-\]: I hope you havn't cheated and counted :o
gryn [1d?\]: bottom left is *huge* corner really :)
Ateares [2k\]: white is good at yose too
eviiL [-\]: na
]
;W[pm]WL[30]OW[1]C[eviiL [-\]: I could probably <.<
SirKuros [17k\]: D:
Sakae [-\]: noo
bigbadwolf [9d\]: thanks
Sakae [-\]: finish it!
eviiL [-\]: lol
smokazazou [10k\]: ?
Sakae [-\]: how shall we know the score now?!
Nemu91 [4k\]: nice game
PlumeMoi [1d\]: lkb no thznk ?
Ateares [2k\]: counting
eviiL [-\]: letz just say I won ;P
Sakae [-\]: naaah
Thew [4k\]: bigbadwolf, why didnt you play p15 instead of q14?
Ateares [2k\]: evil always wins
Sakae [-\]: lets say I won
eviiL [-\]: yes !
Sakae [-\]: :<
eviiL [-\]: I won
eviiL [-\]: !!
Sakae [-\]: no
eviiL [-\]: Ateares [2k\]: evil always wins
Sakae [-\]: didn't I win last toribash?
eviiL [-\]: oh go away
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