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RU[Chinese]SZ[19]HA[7]KM[0.50]TM[0]OT[10x40 byo-yomi]
PW[nutngo]PB[Mogo]DT[2009-02-10]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dd]BL[40]OB[10]
;B[dj]BL[40]OB[10]
;B[dp]BL[40]OB[10]
;B[pd]BL[40]OB[10]
;B[pj]BL[40]OB[10]
;B[pp]BL[40]OB[10]
;B[jj]BL[40]OB[10]C[Heretix [9k\]: nutngo is?
]
;W[nq]WL[40]OW[10]C[MonkehKid [-\]: some 9p
]
;B[qm]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[fq]WL[40]OW[10]
;B[gc]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[cn]WL[40]OW[10]C[NeverAtari [3k?\]: says who?
]
;B[dm]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[dn]WL[40]OW[10]C[inte [?\]: http://go.nutn.edu.tw/2009/English/schedule_eng.htm
]
;B[em]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[en]WL[40]OW[10]C[inte [?\]: (it's 2 pm in Taiwan)
Heretix [9k\]: ah, thanks
]
;B[fm]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[fn]WL[40]OW[10]C[nutn307: yes, we have four day play about GO 
]
;B[gm]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[nc]WL[40]OW[10]
;B[jc]BL[40]OB[10]C[NeverAtari [3k?\]: i'm on a boat
]
;W[qf]WL[40]OW[10]
;B[qc]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[oe]WL[40]OW[10]C[inte [?\]: is there any information on what kind of hardware mogo is running on this time?
yoyoma [1d\]: hm will mogo cut and fight now?
ketchup [4k\]: nutn307, is this jun xun zhou or someone else playing?
nutn307: yes
]
;B[cm]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[cd]WL[40]OW[10]C[CBlue [?\]: R17 seems bad considering that there's no tight b pincer nearby
nutn307: nutngo is  jun xun zhou!
ketchup [4k\]: ok thank you :)
CBlue [?\]: should defiitely P15 instead
]
;B[cc]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[dc]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: pincer not close, but influence everywhere
yoyoma [1d\]: so maybe it's still ok to R17 and then fight?
MonkehKid [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?ZhouJunxun is white
]
;B[ce]BL[40]OB[10]C[CBlue [?\]: it looks as if ogo isn't "aware" of its handicap influence
]
;W[bd]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: I don't know much about the fighting after R17 and cut though
]
;B[be]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[bc]WL[40]OW[10]C[maszrum [-\]: w probably already knows that he's going to win
yank [?\]: yoyoma, with H7, I bet on Chou 9p.
]
;B[cb]BL[40]OB[10]C[CBlue [?\]: well i know some of it in variation where b pincered one w kakari tightly+low
CBlue [?\]: and it's already on the edge
CBlue [?\]: so playing this here should really not be easy
uoft123123 [13k?\]: can white live there?
]
;W[hc]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: yank I probably would bet money on white here too
yoyoma [1d\]: but I'm rooting for mogo  :)
]
;B[gd]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[rd]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: H17 is strange
ketchup [4k\]: refuse to root against humanity! :P
]
;B[bb]BL[40]OB[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: :)
]
;W[ic]WL[40]OW[10]
;B[jd]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[gb]WL[40]OW[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: good corner for mogo
yoyoma [1d\]: Is there some amazing squeeze on D16 coming?
NeverAtari [3k?\]: just aji?
]
;B[ie]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[fc]WL[40]OW[10]
;B[de]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[fd]WL[40]OW[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: J15 good too
CobyRobins [3k\]: this computer strong?
]
;B[fe]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[jb]WL[40]OW[10]C[NeverAtari [3k?\]: yes
mmueller [4d?\]: W crying now
Heretix [9k\]: could have beaten tartrate on 9H :-)
Oloril [2k\]: stronger than the likes of you and I
ketchup [4k\]: heretrix lol
]
;B[kb]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[ib]WL[40]OW[10]C[ketchup [4k\]: white has the best shape
]
;B[lc]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[ge]WL[40]OW[10]
;B[hd]BL[40]OB[10]C[rich [10k\]: Tartrate lost to Mogo
]
;W[eb]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: black played this part well
]
;B[lf]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[pb]WL[40]OW[10]C[yank [?\]: MoGo is doing well on the left upper corner.
yoyoma [1d\]: dare I become more optimistic?  :)
]
;B[nn]BL[40]OB[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: But it's still very early  :)
]
;W[di]WL[40]OW[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: maybe u both were right
uoft123123 [13k?\]: white got cocky
uoft123123 [13k?\]: o..O
CBlue [?\]: what the heck is O6 :)
mmueller [4d?\]: Magic begins?
]
;B[ei]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[eh]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: mmueller who are you rooting for?  :)
]
;B[ci]BL[40]OB[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: :O
uoft123123 [13k?\]: agreesive
]
;W[dh]WL[40]OW[10]C[ketchup [4k\]: not at all, opens up e15 for reduction?
Oloril [2k\]: O6 is monte carlo at work
]
;B[gf]BL[40]OB[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: lol
]
;W[ej]WL[40]OW[10]
;B[fi]BL[40]OB[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: man .,. if white lives here..
]
;W[cj]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: if w doesnt live there its the end
uoft123123 [13k?\]: yah
]
;B[dk]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[bi]WL[40]OW[10]C[yank [?\]: From the experience I played with MoGo, moves like G14 indicate MoGo thinks it is winning.
uoft123123 [13k?\]: k.. back to phonology homewrk... 'taku..
yoyoma [1d\]: B9?
]
;B[bj]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[ch]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: oh interesting
CBlue [?\]: b10 seems to work too
yoyoma [1d\]: the sort of move computers find  :)
]
;B[bk]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[gg]WL[40]OW[10]C[CBlue [?\]: will mogo fall into a trap now?
yoyoma [1d\]: take off?  or F14?
]
;B[ff]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[gi]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: the game became very exciting!  :)
NeverAtari [3k?\]: this move makes my head explode
]
;B[fj]BL[40]OB[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: If W is ordinary human, no chance to live :)
]
;W[fh]WL[40]OW[10]C[ketchup [4k\]: i think the ttime settings actually hurt white more than black :P
Heretix [9k\]: definitely
]
;B[gj]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[hi]WL[40]OW[10]C[ketchup [4k\]: usually it'd be the other way around, but the way this mogo plays... wow..
]
;B[hj]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[ji]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: in L and D mogo plays superb
]
;B[ki]BL[40]OB[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: just at making territory it lacks a little bit
mmueller [4d?\]: one question is whether b13 can be an eye
CBlue [?\]: J12?
]
;W[jh]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: oh maybe wB13 doesn't even make eye in gote?
]
;B[hg]BL[40]OB[10]C[CBlue [?\]: oO
yoyoma [1d\]: seems no?
mysticcage [7k\]: is this bot suppose to be strong?
mmueller [4d?\]: Not clear. B13 A12 etc, then C14
Chilltime [5k\]: well w need 2 eyes
]
;W[kh]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: h12
mmueller [4d?\]: H12 captures big part
]
;B[ii]BL[40]OB[10]C[ketchup [4k\]: but white happy to sacrifice i think
yank [?\]: usually, this time setting favors human players. MoGo needs time to think.
]
;W[ih]WL[40]OW[10]C[Heretix [9k\]: right, humans have intuition, computers don't
]
;B[hh]BL[40]OB[10]C[shinigami [3d\]: think prob not the right word
mysticcage [7k\]: how strong is this bot?
Paulie [5k\]: w is cut?
shinigami [3d\]: mogo needs time to process
]
;W[ij]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: mogo is 1d ^^
mysticcage [7k\]: ok
mysticcage [7k\]: who is nutgo?
Chilltime [5k\]: 9p
shinigami [3d\]: taiwan 9p
maszrum [-\]: mogo is stronger than 1d KGS
CBlue [?\]: actually this seems pretty ok for w?
]
;B[gh]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[ii]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: well the dango isn't alive either  :)
]
;B[ik]BL[40]OB[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: B still in control
]
;W[jk]WL[40]OW[10]C[Paulie [5k\]: this is great for b
yoyoma [1d\]: will it L10 to try to kill?
CBlue [?\]: w's gonna take over the center
Heretix [9k\]: I wonder if Mogo thinks during the opponent's time, hehe
mmueller [4d?\]: J8 only
ketchup [4k\]: white is taiwan 9p Zhou Junxun
]
;B[jl]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[kj]WL[40]OW[10]C[yank [?\]: But w can take a small breath. : )
ketchup [4k\]: time for q7 probe0rz
mmueller [4d?\]: yes of course it uses opponent's time
mysticcage [7k\]: how come a 9d and a bot is so closely matched
maszrum [-\]: handicap
Oloril [2k\]: 7H
Chilltime [5k\]: because its 7 handi
]
;B[kk]BL[40]OB[10]C[mysticcage [7k\]: o
]
;W[ke]WL[40]OW[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: nice
ketchup [4k\]: here's their website i think http://go.nutn.edu.tw/2009/English/schedule_eng.htm
]
;B[lj]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[li]WL[40]OW[10]C[mysticcage [7k\]: thx
mmueller [4d?\]: J16 is big for W
]
;B[mj]BL[40]OB[10]C[yank [?\]: L15 is strong.
ketchup [4k\]: rather have probe aroudn q7 :P
]
;W[id]WL[40]OW[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: give up 3 stones
]
;B[he]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[je]WL[40]OW[10]C[saru411 [4k\]: still cut
mmueller [4d?\]: hmm
]
;B[le]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[jf]WL[40]OW[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: B still ok
yank [?\]: L15 shows what a pro is capable of.
yoyoma [1d\]: haha let's not overstate L15  :)
CBlue [?\]: so w won
]
;B[kd]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[mi]WL[40]OW[10]C[Heretix [9k\]: amazing how incredibly quickly white plays
]
;B[mb]BL[40]OB[10]
;W[nj]WL[40]OW[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: painful
mmueller [4d?\]: but Mogo feels no pain :)
yoyoma [1d\]: uhoh  :(
Chilltime [5k\]: n18 lives?
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
mmueller [4d?\]: N18 was a bit too solid maybe
CBlue [?\]: yes
mmueller [4d?\]: O10 soo big
CBlue [?\]: lives
Heretix [9k\]: uh, did mogo just reboot or something?
yank [?\]: That b group is safe.
Heretix [9k\]: why did it just suddenly spew out that message
]
;B[jj]BL[40]OB[9]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: it probably just calculated the moku..
]
;W[md]WL[40]OW[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: THEY ARE EVEM
uoft123123 [13k?\]: lol jk..
yoyoma [1d\]: oh boy let's see if mogo can do ko
]
;B[ld]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[jk]WL[40]OW[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: :O....
uoft123123 [13k?\]: looks like it can
yoyoma [1d\]: answering threats isn't hard
Shymon [10k\]: is white dead on left side yes?
yoyoma [1d\]: making threats is the harder part
CBlue [?\]: yes
uoft123123 [13k?\]: ye
]
;B[fp]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[gp]WL[40]OW[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: :o
uoft123123 [13k?\]: good one
uoft123123 [13k?\]: c9 ?
]
;B[jj]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[ck]WL[40]OW[10]C[yank [?\]: Very interesting game.
mmueller [4d?\]: no threat?
yoyoma [1d\]: white lost some aji at H9 if black answer E9 now
uoft123123 [13k?\]: it's a big threat
]
;B[cl]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[jk]WL[40]OW[10]C[Shymon [10k\]: what was it threatening?
mmueller [4d?\]: what was W's threat???
Chilltime [5k\]: ughs
uoft123123 [13k?\]: the side
Chilltime [5k\]: now w go e9
Shymon [10k\]: how?
]
;B[go]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[ep]WL[40]OW[10]C[saru411 [4k\]: the threat was life
uoft123123 [13k?\]: oh ya..
uoft123123 [13k?\]: D10
uoft123123 [13k?\]: and 9..
]
;B[jj]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[pq]WL[40]OW[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: G5 terrible, now B loses ground
]
;B[fo]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[eo]WL[40]OW[10]C[yank [?\]: I think E3 is better than G5.
mmueller [4d?\]: yes
Chilltime [5k\]: now mogo will teacht w a lesson and kill down left
uoft123123 [13k?\]: how?
]
;B[eq]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[dq]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: with computer magic
yoyoma [1d\]: well got ponnuki
uoft123123 [13k?\]: white'll look ugly if he kills it..
]
;B[er]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[fr]WL[40]OW[10]C[aware [2k\]: 40sec/move seems hard for mogo
]
;B[dr]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[cq]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: I can't decide if adding E2 was good or not
Chilltime [5k\]: c2?
uoft123123 [13k?\]: looks difficult...
yoyoma [1d\]: maybe is?
yoyoma [1d\]: oh C2 also...
]
;B[cr]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[bq]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: h4?
yoyoma [1d\]: what if H3?
Chilltime [5k\]: humm
yoyoma [1d\]: black 1 lib ahead
]
;B[ni]BL[40]OB[9]C[saru411 [4k\]: connect of course
Chilltime [5k\]: looks like w got spanked
]
;W[jk]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: ugh tenuki is hard ^^
yoyoma [1d\]: bH3, wG3 connect, bH4 kills no?
Chilltime [5k\]: sure it does
]
;B[qq]BL[40]OB[9]C[saru411 [4k\]: how when h5 = atari
yoyoma [1d\]: atari doesn't save white in that
]
;W[lk]WL[40]OW[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: looks like it can tho
Chilltime [5k\]: h3 h5 g6 g3 h4
]
;B[jj]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[mk]WL[40]OW[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: owie.. the pain..
uoft123123 [13k?\]: lol
]
;B[gn]BL[40]OB[9]C[Chilltime [5k\]: hm
Chilltime [5k\]: b doesnt want to attack w 
yoyoma [1d\]: yeah I'm surprised
Chilltime [5k\]: hm
Chilltime [5k\]: well
]
;W[bm]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: oh haha
Chilltime [5k\]: whis move attacked the whole group instead
uoft123123 [13k?\]: black doesn't have much tho
yoyoma [1d\]: black threatened B6  :)
]
;B[nb]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[oc]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: bah but now still nothing against G4 stones
Chilltime [5k\]: now h3?
]
;B[oq]BL[40]OB[9]C[yoyoma [1d\]: there are some variations like  bH3, wH2, and white makes eye at G2....
saru411 [4k\]: h3 h4 g3 j3 g2 h2 f1 k4 at move 131 , yomama
yoyoma [1d\]: so far I didn't see one that work for white
Chilltime [5k\]: as long as mogo got sente hes got a chance
]
;W[np]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: saru come to my clone
yoyoma [1d\]: variation too long  :)
]
;B[bo]BL[40]OB[9]C[Chilltime [5k\]: lol
]
;W[bn]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: b2? :P
yank [?\]: MoGo plays better with Chou 9p than it did months ago.
]
;B[br]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[cp]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: nasty little mogo
quasimoyo [2d\]: h9 seems to work
]
;B[aq]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[ap]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: mogo wants to live in gote?
]
;B[co]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[ar]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: ups
]
;B[ao]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[do]WL[40]OW[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: g3 now?
Chilltime [5k\]: dead shape xD
Paulie [5k\]: c8 first...
Chilltime [5k\]: h3 i suppose
]
;B[hr]BL[40]OB[9]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: :O
]
;W[hq]WL[40]OW[10]C[Chilltime [5k\]: ko again?
yoyoma [1d\]: black G2 and J3?
]
;B[iq]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[ip]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: G2 connects under 
]
;B[gr]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[hk]WL[40]OW[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: :O
uoft123123 [13k?\]: did wite do that as a part of his plan
uoft123123 [13k?\]: ..
]
;B[gk]BL[40]OB[9]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: scary to think that q_Q
]
;W[hl]WL[40]OW[10]C[MonkehKid [-\]: wow w is so strong
yoyoma [1d\]: how is the score now?
]
;B[ci]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[gq]WL[40]OW[10]C[Shymon [10k\]: 9ps usually are....
uoft123123 [13k?\]: not to mention 7Handicap
uoft123123 [13k?\]: ..
yoyoma [1d\]: hm there is a chance that J3 dies?
]
;B[fs]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[hp]WL[40]OW[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: B still doing well
Chilltime [5k\]: no i dont think so yoyoma
yoyoma [1d\]: already gote eye at D1...
Paulie [5k\]: a good chance Id say...
]
;B[jq]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[jp]WL[40]OW[10]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: depedns how black wants to play
yoyoma [1d\]: black still lead eh?
uoft123123 [13k?\]: the 2 on O is pretty scary looking
]
;B[kp]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[kq]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: haha computer counter attack of course
mmueller [4d?\]: L5
Chilltime [5k\]: l2
uoft123123 [13k?\]: l5 looks better..
yoyoma [1d\]: bravo!
Paulie [5k\]: w gunna bring the pain here...
]
;B[jo]BL[40]OB[9]C[Chilltime [5k\]: l5 looks crappy
]
;W[ko]WL[40]OW[10]C[yoyoma [1d\]: haha k5 computer style instead of L5  :)
Shymon [10k\]: k5 looks like a computer move
uoft123123 [13k?\]: k5 looks crappy.. but im not reading that far
Chilltime [5k\]: k5 looks like iam gonna kill you ^^
]
;B[lp]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[io]WL[40]OW[10]C[Paulie [5k\]: j6! :)
]
;B[jn]BL[40]OB[9]
;W[in]WL[40]OW[10]C[mmueller [4d?\]: W misread?
Chilltime [5k\]: j7?
myongstu [-\]: i think w just underestimates b
uoft123123 [13k?\]: wait for it...
uoft123123 [13k?\]: lol
Chilltime [5k\]: what happens if w g1?
quasimoyo [2d\]: nothing
]
;B[im]BL[40]OB[9]C[uoft123123 [13k?\]: nothign
uoft123123 [13k?\]: yah
uoft123123 [13k?\]: haha
Chilltime [5k\]: okay xD
Chilltime [5k\]: then b+ resign
yoyoma [1d\]: bravo mogo!
yank [?\]: I was wrong. It looks MoGo is winning.
aware [2k\]: whou
Chilltime [5k\]: yay
uoft123123 [13k?\]: :O
shinigami [3d\]: wow
Paulie [5k\]: wow!
Heretix [9k\]: wow
yank [?\]: Luckily I didn't bet my money. : )
Chilltime [5k\]: mogo beats 9 with 7 handi
uoft123123 [13k?\]: :O
Paulie [5k\]: this is surely a first?
Heretix [9k\]: congrats Mogo and team
Chilltime [5k\]: next time its 6 handi
Shymon [10k\]: so what level do you guys put mogo on now?
Chilltime [5k\]: 2d or 3d
Chilltime [5k\]: ;-)
Chilltime [5k\]: hard to say 
yank [?\]: At least 2 d in Taiwan.
uoft123123 [13k?\]: wuts the highest ranked bot at
Chilltime [5k\]: its strong with handi
yoyoma [1d\]: who has a couple million dollars to sponsor hyugens cluster to play on kgs to get rating?  :D
Chilltime [5k\]: but in an even game?
maszrum [-\]: 9p would crush 2d on 7 handi
Heretix [9k\]: maybe ask nutngo how strong he thinks Mogo is?
Shymon [10k\]: pretty sure that is just a reporting account
MonkehKid [-\]: mogo is atleast 5d.
mmueller [4d?\]: Congratulations Mogo team!
shinigami [3d\]: lol
shinigami [3d\]: no where near 5d
maszrum [-\]: yes, 5d seems right
MonkehKid [-\]: what shinigami? you mean weaker or stronger
shinigami [3d\]: weaker
uoft123123 [13k?\]: why don't we get oe of those japanese geezers to estimate him
uoft123123 [13k?\]: :O
Heretix [9k\]: so uh, will the next few games be at lesser handicap then?
MonkehKid [-\]: mogo beat tartrate...
quasimoyo [2d\]: who come a 9p misread k5?
MonkehKid [-\]: and this 9p ;)
NeverAtari [3k?\]: who to trust, pro or shinigami?
Paulie [5k\]: even games are probably alot harder for mogo.  In the handicap games, there's more fighting and this is to its advantage I think...
shinigami [3d\]: who is pro that said he was 5d?
uoft123123 [13k?\]: yo.. wuts the theory behind the bot?
MonkehKid [-\]: i am shinigami ;)
uoft123123 [13k?\]: rules or data base?
Chilltime [5k\]: i think this mogo is near 2 or 3d
Paulie [5k\]: monte carlo search
Oloril [2k\]: monte carlo
Chilltime [5k\]: but only in handi games
uoft123123 [13k?\]: i see..
shinigami [3d\]: lol you're not a pro
MonkehKid [-\]: yeah, im not. im stronger than 1.
Oloril [2k\]: it simulates games with semi random moves to find the one with the best win %
uoft123123 [13k?\]: yah
Paulie [5k\]: (and hence the "good at fighting")
uoft123123 [13k?\]: i know..
Heretix [9k\]: hmm, later in the schedule, Mogo plays Zhou Jun Xun again
maszrum [-\]: it's a brute force search actually
uoft123123 [13k?\]: well
Heretix [9k\]: 19x19, 6 handicaps this time?
uoft123123 [13k?\]: monte carlo was a weapons development program
Paulie [5k\]: no, its monte carlo
Oloril [2k\]: no maszrum, brute force would be nearly impossible with current technology
uoft123123 [13k?\]: but disbanded when gametheory came into ffavor
inte [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?UCT
shinigami [3d\]: a 5d with proper time settings should be able to beat a 9p with 5 handicap
maszrum [-\]: UCT is very similar to minimax algorithm
shinigami [3d\]: until mogo gets to that level, won't be 5d
inte [?\]: and, of course, http://senseis.xmp.net/?MoGo
maszrum [-\]: which is brute force search
uoft123123 [13k?\]: nutngo is in university
uoft123123 [13k?\]: so is he gonna try for pros?
Heretix [9k\]: amazingly, Mogo did well in such tight time settings too
Chilltime [5k\]: but mogo is getting better at a fast pace
inte [?\]: yes, but it explores the tree selectively, and then there are playouts
MonkehKid [-\]: how do you know shinigami? your weaker than 5d.
uoft123123 [13k?\]: hes closer than the rest of us
uoft123123 [13k?\]: =0=''
inte [?\]: "brute force" really doesn't do the algorithm justice.
shinigami [3d\]: i know many 5ds and i've seen several 5d vs 9p with 5 handicap games on tygem
shinigami [3d\]: conversely, you know nothing about me nor go
MonkehKid [-\]: eh?
maszrum [-\]: shinigami, artem lost with 5 handi quite recently
maszrum [-\]: and he is 7d
shinigami [3d\]: who did he play?
MonkehKid [-\]: a guest i think
maszrum [-\]: I don't know, korean pro
MonkehKid [-\]: probally 9-7p
inte [?\]: (also, afaik the MoGo team has spent a lot of effort into incorporating Go knowledge into the search and playouts. But I'm not up to date.)
shinigami [3d\]: i can look at the tygem list of stored games and see multiple examples of 5d winning against 9p with 5 handi
shinigami [3d\]: so take that for what it is
Heretix [9k\]: great progress for Mogo, considering how little time it has been
quasimoyo [2d\]: just one game...
quasimoyo [2d\]: To tell all this stuff
shinigami [3d\]: and of course not 100% win rate, i mean opponent is a 9p, so gotta give credit
inte [?\]: and I still would like to know what hardware it runs on currently
maszrum [-\]: there was second game played by crazystone
maszrum [-\]: against 4p
aware [2k\]: 600 cpu cluster someone said earlier
maszrum [-\]: also 7 handi
Heretix [9k\]: Huygens with 640CPUs
inte [?\]: thanks
maszrum [-\]: and CS played on a PC
Heretix [9k\]: says so on http://go.nutn.edu.tw/2009/English/result_eng.htm
yoyoma [1d\]: There is a great summary of past computer-human games at http://www.computer-go.info/h-c/index.html
Heretix [9k\]: so its less powerful hardware than the previous game against tartrate?
inte [?\]: ah. thanks for the link, too.
yoyoma [1d\]: Heretix the page I gave gives the hardware mogo used for past events
yoyoma [1d\]: oh sorry actually it doesn't say how many cores of the 800 nodes it used
Heretix [9k\]: it does
Heretix [9k\]: 4 cores
yoyoma [1d\]: no that just means there are 4 cores for each of 800 nodes
yoyoma [1d\]: but it didn't use all of them
yoyoma [1d\]: there are 3200 cores total, but usually mogo doesn't have access to the entire thing
Heretix [9k\]: ah
yoyoma [1d\]: the super computer people sell/partition the computing time to different projects
nutn307: we have play 2 after fourty minutes
yoyoma [1d\]: for example at http://go.nutn.edu.tw/2009/English/result_eng.htm, it says it's using 640 cpus
yoyoma [1d\]: thanks nutn307
yoyoma [1d\]: oh some other game has started
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