(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[9]KM[6.50]TM[900]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[MilanMilan]PB[breakfast]WR[9d]BR[3p]DT[2009-02-10]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: hi
breakfast [3p\]: have a great game!
MilanMilan [9d\]: it's funny
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[ee]BL[886.23]C[trafo [?\]: lol
Rotwang [1d?\]: I guess the board looks smaller when you are this strong
]
;W[fc]WL[848.763]
;B[gd]BL[879.63]C[XY0908 [-\]: Why not 19x19...?
]
;W[gc]WL[822.305]
;B[dc]BL[877.236]
;W[he]WL[813.52]
;B[fg]BL[856.867]C[Batavia [3k?\]: because this is more fun :-D
]
;W[ce]WL[804.399]C[Batavia [3k?\]: something to kibitz
Euphorie [-\]: they wanted to do some 9d tsumegos
katsumi [?\]: because they are amazing humans
royalty [3d\]: humans? are you sure?
funfun [4d\]: w wins
]
;B[bc]BL[762.271]C[ForeverKyu [-\]: b is a frog
Jonii [1d\]: It's kinda depressing to think them as human beings
FriendFire [7k\]: /o/
Sponge7 [-\]: lol
hata [2k\]: /
Jonii [1d\]: Demigod would be more intuitive way to describe them
FriendFire [7k\]: yes
FriendFire [7k\]: hara, it is not italics
alexanderp [4k?\]: tartrate's legend is over. kinda interesting
asdewka [13k\]: цщц
asdewka [13k\]: wow
Korlon [2k\]: Looks good for black
MrShintou [-\]: hard to make a 9x9 not look good for blackc
funfun [4d\]: he lives in our hearts
Namii [5d\]: remember that komi is almost 10% of the board
]
;W[cb]WL[710.972]C[MrShintou [-\]: d3 h6 f4 e4 f6 f5 g5 
MrShintou [-\]: was my sequence
]
;B[cd]BL[729.554]C[mafutrct [1d\]: mogo thinks the game is even and plays c6
Korlon [2k\]: Who will win...
Rotwang [1d?\]: mogo has mad skillz
]
;W[de]WL[667.674]C[FriendFire [7k\]: hey Fredrik! go play with the 3p! :-)
FriendFire [7k\]: this guy is multi-core
poldeess [16k?\]: what does p stand for
Sbetsho [8k\]: pro
Korlon [2k\]: Professional Dan
Kitsune81 [?\]: pink
Jonii [1d\]: professional dan
weiqidevil [-\]: interesting, how they make these games so complicated. i always play a dull game on 9x9 xD
jsuinul [?\]: pro
IGoofy [1d\]: pay me
mafutrct [1d\]: mogo: d5 mistake, black will e6 d3 b3
poldeess [16k?\]: ok
royalty [3d\]: they make money playing this game
Jerque [8k\]: that mogo stuff is interesting
Jerque [8k\]: although i doubt the d3 :)
iceey [2d?\]: u got to pay for hte breakfast
]
;B[dd]BL[638.036]C[royalty [3d\]: black wins by shape
Sbetsho [8k\]: there's no such thing as free breakfast
Jonii [1d\]: Domination
mafutrct [1d\]: mogo still likes d3, then f6 h6 c2 c3 d2 e2 e3 b2
Jonii [1d\]: What's mogo?
mafutrct [1d\]: a rather strong bot
royalty [3d\]: a random number generator
Sbetsho [8k\]: how strong is the strongest bot in 19x19?
Jonii [1d\]: Cheating to use bot on 9x9 :P
mtkk [-\]: milanmilan is mogobot ?
baldmonkey [1d\]: thats a good idea for yahoo
naturesway [1d\]: breakfast
naturesway [1d\]: is
naturesway [1d\]: :)
pasky [-\]: pro bot
Jonii [1d\]: It's like chess with this kinda shrunk board
Ranwa: but 6,5 komi on a 9x9 isn't a normal komi for 9x9,right?
Sbetsho [8k\]: except it's nothing like chess
Rotwang [1d?\]: Ranwa, it seems to be normal
Jerque [8k\]: it is. blacks first move is worth more on a smaller board too.
jasso: Ranwa it's normal
Ranwa: Hmm ok
kelesnikof [1d\]: f2
royalty [3d\]: just as with 19x19 board it is hard to say what komi would be absolutely fairest
]
;W[dg]WL[477.175]C[Jerque [8k\]: so it was d3 :P
Sbetsho [8k\]: one would have to create the perfect game
]
;B[cg]BL[610.201]C[Analysis [1d\]: from my limited 9x9 experience i find that 6.5 is the minimum if white has a chance to win
Jerque [8k\]: i bet we'll know the perfect 9x9 game within 2 years.
testgamer: on a 5x5 board 4.5 is the fair komi
Dissi [1k\]: you will lose this bet Jerque :>
testgamer: that was solved less than a year ago
mafutrct [1d\]: mogo plays E4 F4 B5 D2 E6 F5 D8 B6 B8 A5
]
;W[df]WL[443.649]C[Sbetsho [8k\]: testgamer, where? link
testgamer: ok, gimme a sec
weiqidevil [-\]: on 9x9 the komi should be 4 i thought
JayG136 [3k\]: what is mogo's strength on 9x9?
royalty [3d\]: fairly strong
Jerque [8k\]: mogo beat guojuan on 9x9 a few times.
baldmonkey [1d\]: 5d
Jerque [8k\]: but that was special hardware i think
weiqidevil [-\]: there were some professionals who played two games to determine the proper komi on 9x9
JayG136 [3k\]: just 2 games?
Sbetsho [8k\]: I'd think that two games aren't sufficent
weiqidevil [-\]: both games were b+4. at least it is convincing ^^
Sbetsho [8k\]: not very
testgamer: there seems to be a claim that the correct komi on 6x6 is 2.0 http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/2008-September/thread.html
Sbetsho [8k\]: thanks
minimelcer [2d\]: b5
Sbetsho [8k\]: um.. not thanks yet
naturesway [1d\]: white looks so floating
]
;B[hd]BL[472.494]C[weiqidevil [-\]: i think if either player had made a mistake, then they would have played more games than just two.
Jerque [8k\]: i was just thinking b looks scattered :)
Ranwa: then it would make sense to me that on 9x9 it would still be a little bit less than 6,5. But I could be wrong
mafutrct [1d\]: (mogo: F6 B5 F5 E4 G3 D2 D8 E8 E9 F9 )
]
;W[fd]WL[403.664]C[JayG136 [3k\]: i think the fact that 6x6 is an even number board makes it such that the komi for 5x5 and 7x7 both be more
]
;B[ge]BL[456.825]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: lolol
Euphorie [-\]: go seigen had a serie of 9x9 games to choose komi
Jerque [8k\]: mogo tenukiing f6 is funny. so killing w there should be enough :)
Euphorie [-\]: he said that it should be 7
testgamer: Sbetsho: http://senseis.xmp.net/?SmallBoardGo
]
;W[db]WL[358.673]C[Sbetsho [8k\]: thanks
testgamer: there's a fair range of links to previous discussion
mafutrct [1d\]: mogo: w blunder
MrShintou [-\]: whites in trouble
Euphorie [-\]: you can find the serie on gobase, no registration needed
SakanaEio [2d\]: wow none of these group is really alive yet
mafutrct [1d\]: B5 F5 F4 G4 G3 H4 D2 H3 H2 J2 and w wins with 60%
masek [-\]: nice games ;)
masek [-\]: i saw them amazing
mafutrct [1d\]: *b
Rotwang [1d?\]: why should the komi used by human players take into account what the "perfect komi" is to produce a draw given perfect paly on both sides?
masek [-\]: i has it in sgf :)
JayG136 [3k\]: is there a place to download mogo?
mafutrct [1d\]: google^^
JayG136 [3k\]: i should use google before i ask stupid questions
]
;B[be]BL[393.554]C[Jerque [8k\]: mafutrct what hardware is that?
JayG136 [3k\]: mogo free?
Euphorie [-\]: yes
]
;W[bf]WL[342.522]C[mafutrct [1d\]: cure duo 2.2 ghz
Hendrix [1d\]: ko?
]
;B[cf]BL[372.642]
;W[ae]WL[335.461]
;B[bd]BL[370.049]C[Slowdive [10k\]: how strong is mogo?
Sbetsho [8k\]: where does it say there that 9x9 was solved?
Jerque [8k\]: oh wow
Jerque [8k\]: nobody said 9x9 is solved
Cookiex [4k?\]: lol whats this?
Hendrix [1d\]: w in trouble
mafutrct [1d\]: mogo loves black
MrSandman [4k\]: ko?
Euphorie [-\]: on 9x9 on average hardware he is about 3d
Euphorie [-\]: at least the public release
Slowdive [10k\]: oh ok
MrShintou [-\]: i've seen mogo tear through pros in 9x9
isbhal [10k\]: ;p
Euphorie [-\]: you can see a serie of mogo games vs pro on the account nutngo
]
;W[ch]WL[270.784]C[testgamer: 9x9 is not solved
Euphorie [-\]: nutngo is zhou junxun 9p
Jerque [8k\]: mogotitan also
Euphorie [-\]: he also lost against mogo at H7
Ranwa: and I'm convinced now about the komi, thanks for the link testgamer
Euphorie [-\]: on 19
MrShintou [-\]: why not b3?
DONTFLOOOD [-\]: ko?
]
;B[bg]BL[340.52]C[yakito [-\]: oO
Zugly [?\]: loss of sente
yakito [-\]: non
Euphorie [-\]: he said that mogo last release was like a high dan amateur
Sbetsho [8k\]: Jerque: "I bet we'll know the perfect 9x9 game within 2 years" testgamer: "That was solved less than a year ago"
testgamer: yeah, it's an interest ongoing discussion about computer go
telchar [1d\]: kokokokoko
MrShintou [-\]: oh lol
Normann [3k\]: in english, yakito please
yakito [-\]: arf shut up normann? :p
]
;W[ag]WL[244.141]C[yakito [-\]: xD
Sbetsho [8k\]: or was he referring to something else?
testgamer: Sbetsho: I meant 5x5, sorry if I referenced wrong reply
]
;B[af]BL[333.298]C[Normann [3k\]: no french !
Sbetsho [8k\]: ok
]
;W[fe]WL[241.931]C[yakito [-\]: ^_^
Jerque [8k\]: Sbetsho: except you cut out his previous line
mafutrct [1d\]: mogo :b + 80%
Normann [3k\]: french is poop !
Jerque [8k\]: about the 4.5 komi
Sbetsho [8k\]: ok my bad
yakito [-\]: poop? 
MrShintou [-\]: b2 
Normann [3k\]: caca
]
;B[ff]BL[315.415]C[yakito [-\]: :s
]
;W[bf]WL[224.57]
;B[bh]BL[313.771]
;W[bi]WL[223.253]
;B[af]BL[312.194]
;W[gf]WL[221.91]C[mafutrct [1d\]: the last 8+ moves, mogo would have played differently than in the game.
JayG136 [3k\]: mogo... is...  god
]
;B[dh]BL[280.887]C[Jerque [8k\]: what's w chances now?
]
;W[gg]WL[215.127]C[Euphorie [-\]: good chance style
derPlumps [-\]: lol
]
;B[hf]BL[261.899]C[MrShintou [-\]: f2 
]
;W[eh]WL[196.28]C[PikkuKiusa [3k\]: oohowuuut
Zugly [?\]: milanmilan is a great thinker
yakito [-\]: wow
wwwkgscom [3k?\]: resign now or never?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: who could this mystery italian player be?
yakito [-\]: ^^
Zugly [?\]: why italian?
Jonii [1d\]: ...What is going on?
Jerque [8k\]: what is the name of the client with the mystery italian player?
thekar [13k\]: whats milans name?
FriendFire [7k\]: George B.
Rotwang [1d?\]: Milan
mafutrct [1d\]: mogo thinks w is catching up, starting with b H3 G2 H7 E3 E8 E7 G8 F8 E4 H2
bcmstrng [2k\]: B. Obama.
]
;B[gh]BL[177.446]
;W[hg]WL[177.152]
;B[ie]BL[159.788]C[FriendFire [7k\]: bcm, did you get kicked?
]
;W[hh]WL[151.976]C[Jerque [8k\]: they could have played a 19x19 in that time :)
]
;B[fh]BL[139.437]
;W[di]WL[148.949]C[mafutrct [1d\]: mogo: even
Jonii [1d\]: ..Wow..
Jerque [8k\]: mogo koing as w?
nd4ever [4k\]: h1?
lenchen16 [6k\]: mafu :3
funfun [4d\]: even bad
funfun [4d\]: ?
llook [?\]: what is the next move mogo is suggesting?
mafutrct [1d\]: H1 B4 E8 F8 A4 G1 F1 B4 E7 E4
]
;B[hi]BL[89.635]
;W[bf]WL[139.49]C[llook [?\]: thanks
Analysis [1d\]: mogo suggesting a9 probz
]
;B[eb]BL[60.806]C[mrgrimm [5k\]: awe i was gonna guess that
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: e7
mafutrct [1d\]: nope, mogo likes e8
mrgrimm [5k\]: but i didnt click in time :(
Jerque [8k\]: heh. mogo good :P
llook [?\]: incredible mogo :)
davidlpoil [-\]: c le troisieme meilleur joueur de kgs
mafutrct [1d\]: E7 A4 G1 F1 B4 F8 G8 A4 J4 A6
]
;W[ec]WL[110.22]
;B[af]BL[58.113]C[mafutrct [1d\]: mogo loves black again
piDollars [10k\]: where is the ko threats
Jonii [1d\]: g1
pasky [-\]: g1
JayG136 [3k\]: i'm confused, i just dl'd mogo, but it comes with no readme, and its just a console app
]
;W[ef]WL[61.256]C[mafutrct [1d\]: mogo plays w j2 :x seems to be over.
Analysis [1d\]: um
Analysis [1d\]: seems like a bad threat
pasky [-\]: jay, use it the same way you use gnugo
smogogo [2k\]: ignore?
thekar [13k\]: why? he connects and makes all alive
pasky [-\]: commandline options are documented on the website
akasi [?\]: yeah another typical 9d mistake
llook [?\]: wj2 means that w lost, right?
thekar [13k\]: haha
Analysis [1d\]: i guess he has read it out
Welvang [2d\]: E6
wwwkgscom [3k?\]: lol akasi
llook [?\]: i mean wj2 by mogo?
Analysis [1d\]: i was thinking about e4 for a while, and i thought it wasn't good, but clearly that is why I am not 9d :D
mafutrct [1d\]: i think so, llook
kingbong [2k\]: it's to win not only for live
mafutrct [1d\]: b a2
]
;B[ah]BL[30]OB[5]C[PikkuKiusa [3k\]: j2
ThisIsArt [4d\]: b easy win
Euphorie [-\]: komi is 6,5
kimlongVN [3k\]: komi 6.5
kimlongVN [3k\]: w win
mafutrct [1d\]: mogo resigns.
Matze [2d\]: b win
piDollars [10k\]: w win if w lives
Rotwang [1d?\]: yeah, but SE desont work so we don't know who will win
thekar [13k\]: tell mogo there is komi
Matze [2d\]: löl
Matze [2d\]: u can count
Analysis [1d\]: e3 first
MrSandman [4k\]: g1?
nd4ever [4k\]: b win
jasch [2k\]: b win
testgamer: mafutrct: which side did you make mogo play (and resign)?
Rotwang [1d?\]: Matze, speak for yourself
MilanMilan [9d\]: E4 is so bad
Matze [2d\]: ;)
nd4ever [4k\]: yes
akasi [?\]: hehe
Analysis [1d\]: woo! i thought e4 was bad too!
mafutrct [1d\]: test: white.
Sbetsho [8k\]: I think the one which is more grey, wins
llook [?\]: maybe the problem is the ruleset: MoGo plays with chinese ruleset
]
;W[ed]WL[30]OW[5]C[Malek [4d?\]: what would have been better?
nd4ever [4k\]: btw, not much threat for white besides e4
llook [?\]: but it's japanese here
MrSandman [4k\]: g1 nothing?
]
;B[hc]BL[30]OB[5]C[breakfast [3p\]: typical for amateurs :)
]
;W[hb]WL[30]OW[5]C[Jonii [1d\]: g1 was a threat :P
Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol
Namii [5d\]: :DDDDDDD
]
;B[ib]BL[30]OB[5]C[thekar [13k\]: lol
testgamer: :DDD
Analysis [1d\]: awesome, breakfast making his own kibitz
MilanMilan [9d\]: what do u mean?
testgamer: hahah :D
Zugly [?\]: trasktalk!
Fredrik [7d\]: oh
]
;W[ha]WL[30]OW[5]C[ikuy [1d\]: lol
Fredrik [7d\]: MilanMilan will be very mad now
Fredrik [7d\]: ^^
HiwaKaoru [15k\]: lol
Zugly [?\]: trashtalk even heh
breakfast [3p\]: http://gosensations.com/?id=2&server_id=1&new_id=121
]
;B[bb]BL[30]OB[5]C[Checkmate [2d\]: breakfast is trolling :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yeah, should be booted
fengitreon [-\]: gosensations that sounds very cool
Warfreak2 [4d\]: haha
fengitreon [-\]: like trance sensations
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, gosensations is silly
MrSandman [4k\]: doensn't g1 lead to new ko?
MilanMilan [9d\]: i see, but if 19*19, do u think u could win/
kimlongVN [3k\]: b win
]
;W[ba]WL[30]OW[5]C[kimlongVN [3k\]: 4.5 p
MilanMilan [9d\]: as a 3p?
echowhisky [4k\]: lol
Namii [5d\]:  breakfast mastertroll
HwangJini [-\]: ahahah
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: loool
Warfreak2 [4d\]: http://gosensations.com/?id=2&server_id=1&new_id=117
Korlon [2k\]: Black wins easily
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: googogo
telchar [1d\]: let's hope they play a 19
Zugly [?\]: ohh the gauntlet has been thrown down baby!!
smogogo [2k\]: j2 is a ko, but white has absolutely no threath
altar [1d\]: oh
KlerChazal [-\]: teasiiiing
HwangJini [-\]: milan 100% win  at 19*19 :p
testgamer: ouch
altar [1d\]: this is declaration of war
Rotwang [1d?\]: Yeah, let's have it!
testgamer: FIGHT
testgamer: GAME
HiwaKaoru [15k\]: ouch.
]
;B[fi]BL[30]OB[4]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: gosensations isn't a news site, it's a place of rumours and guesswork :-o
]
;W[ic]WL[30]OW[5]C[PikkuKiusa [3k\]: play for rolls
MilanMilan [9d\]: or would u like to have a bet?
Jerque [8k\]: rumors and guesswork are good entertainment. like go.
]
;B[ig]BL[30]OB[4]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: for 100euro?
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: wuuut
funfun [4d\]: gosensations is stupid
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: gogogogogo
Jerque [8k\]: loool
maxoux [5k\]: ^^
KoReNJe [3d\]: hah
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hehehe
]
;W[eg]WL[30]OW[5]C[Slowdive [10k\]: 100 euros, ll
Rotwang [1d?\]: If you read the Go sensations article An Youngil mentions that he was unaware if the palyers were in voertime, given that it was KGs it is liekly that it was 30 secs byo-yomi most of the time
Korlon [2k\]: Black by 4.5
KoReNJe [3d\]: this 2 scared to play 19x19?
]
;B[ih]BL[30]OB[4]C[fengitreon [-\]: gosensations, mmmm good sensations
]
;W[ei]WL[30]OW[5]C[Fredrik [7d\]: I told you
kimlongVN [3k\]: oh
]
;B[id]BL[30]OB[4]C[Fredrik [7d\]: I know MilanMilan, he will get really mad :)
]
;W[fb]WL[30]OW[5]C[kimlongVN [3k\]: w win
hangara [3d\]: Dinerchtein has a fake 3p
Warfreak2 [4d\]: :-)
]
;B[ab]BL[30]OB[4]C[Rotwang [1d?\]: A pro won;t pal;y an amatuer for money???
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: dinerchtein accept the challenge like a man
hangara [3d\]: Professionals are never so irrespectfull
breakfast [3p\]: thx!
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: good
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: Betting game !
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: epic fight
MilanMilan [9d\]: thanks
Slowdive [10k\]: 100 euro game lol
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: Come on !
Execute [2k\]: b +3.5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: 19x19
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: accepr breakfast
HiwaKaoru [15k\]: 19.19!
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: *accept
fengitreon [-\]: what about 21x21
Warfreak2 [4d\]: poor show, why would you challenge 9x9 unless you are afraid
breakfast [3p\]: I will accept it - but not today
TarasBob [6k\]: play 19x19 guys
jasch [2k\]: run the show pls
breakfast [3p\]: sorry for making you angry
Warfreak2 [4d\]: because if you lose on 9x9 you can say it wasn't a real game
maxoux [5k\]: !!
Dek [1k\]: круто ;)
Slowdive [10k\]: wow!
HiwaKaoru [15k\]: Boo!
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: yeahhh
llook [?\]: breakfast play against MoGoBot! :-)
HwangJini [-\]: ahah
KoReNJe [3d\]: 19x19 now ^^
Matze [2d\]: plz :O
fengitreon [-\]: 13x13
fengitreon [-\]: and then 19x19
KoReNJe [3d\]: don't be scared
llook [?\]: MoGoBot doesn't understand jokes :(
mafutrct [1d\]: mogo has to go eat now >_> hope it was helpful still :>
masek [-\]: Make special EVENt  Breakfast - Miln
baldmonkey [1d\]: 3p wont dare to 19x19
Jerque [8k\]: you have nothing to lose as an anonymous nick on KGS either, so it's fair.
derPlumps [-\]: thanks for the game :)
llook [?\]: thanks mafutrct
masek [-\]: *Milan*
derPlumps [-\]: thanks for the show
masek [-\]: Nice Show :)
breakfast [3p\]: I agree that MilanMilan is stronger than me, it's true
breakfast [3p\]: but I will have some chances on 19-19 
baldmonkey [1d\]: milan are you pro?
maxoux [5k\]: then go!
testgamer: go!
jasch [2k\]: swoh us pls
thekar [13k\]: 5? as in go?
ikuy [1d\]: so breakfast, do you play?
mafutrct [1d\]: thanks breakfast, milanmilan for showing us the game anyway :)
sickboy [8k\]: he is afraid
Jerque [8k\]: you can do it alex! :)
TarasBob [6k\]: come on, play
KoReNJe [3d\]: lol
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: beat that italian amateur
Jerque [8k\]: either way it's good news for gosensations ;)
maxoux [5k\]: you know you want it
MilanMilan [9d\]: if u apologize now, it's ok
baldmonkey [1d\]: hes really italian? i mean really?
Oloril [2k\]: Thank you both for the game
HiwaKaoru [15k\]: lol
Warfreak2 [4d\]: definitely italian
raingirl [-\]: guys, it's 100 euro game, players should in full power, not exhausted by 9x9 ;p
MilanMilan [9d\]: or, be a fair game?
raingirl [-\]: so let them rest ;)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he plays with italian style, very distinct
baldmonkey [1d\]: chinese italian'
raingirl [-\]: *should be
KoReNJe [3d\]: pros don't play for free ^^
baldmonkey [1d\]: hes just too good i cant bealieve it
KoReNJe [3d\]: when will mingjiu play :p
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