(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[1800]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
PW[Benhu]PB[AncientGo]WR[3p]BR[9d]DT[2011-01-29]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Benhu [3p\]: hi
AncientGo [9d\]: HI have fun
]RE[B+0.50]
;B[qd]BL[1787.173]C[Benhu [3p\]: ^^
]
;W[dd]WL[1793.504]C[LEI0724 [8d?\]: Wow, second game
smartrobot [9d\]: revenge
]
;B[pq]BL[1762.111]
;W[dp]WL[1789.539]
;B[fc]BL[1748.311]C[thorongil [3k\]: same opening
]
;W[cf]WL[1782.842]C[hexon [3k\]: ancient go is 5d amateur in China?
]
;B[kc]BL[1735.555]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: hi
Bruno [2d\]: 6 dan I heard
hexon [3k\]: and he just beat a pro no komi?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: haha, another game
LEI0724 [8d?\]: voldmort is on the move^^
smartrobot [9d\]: Hi friends, this is a promotional game for "Experience Go in China 2011", thanks for watching! For further info: http://www.experience-go.com/
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this is why i will never do anything productive on a saturday
]
;W[po]WL[1757.569]C[clarknogo [1k\]: Q5
anapazapa [2d\]: same game so far
clarknogo [1k\]: R7
smartrobot [9d\]: This year we'll have Fang Tianfeng 8p as our chief instructor, coatching with Peter liu 2p (MilanMIlan 9d),  Ben Hu 3p (lsai 9d), Jack Jin 2p (smartrobot 9d), Su Yang (Finnish8d 9d and JeffChang 9d), Zhao Xin (AncientGo 9d),  and some other professional teachers and high dan amateur teachers. Join us in the summer,  we're sure you'll get good improvement during the study with us!
zurk [1d\]: w pissed off=)
bloodninja [?\]: why no komi
smartrobot [9d\]: If you're interested, please message our program's organizers, Finnish8d 9d and MilanMilan 9d on KGS, thanks. : )
bloodninja [?\]: should be even game
smartrobot [9d\]: both has confidence
zurk [1d\]: white needs some dragoon meat
hexon [3k\]: this game and the last were both no komi
]
;B[qm]BL[1674.245]
;W[qq]WL[1753.522]
;B[qr]BL[1651.761]C[bloodninja [?\]: thats not what i meant, but anyway
]
;W[qp]WL[1748.295]
;B[mq]BL[1649.449]C[anapazapa [2d\]: the winning move rith ere
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i vote p7
H2N1 [5d\]: Q7 is an interesting variation
smartrobot [9d\]: p7 or q7
bloodninja [?\]: p6
TesujiMan [7d\]: p6 bad
smartrobot [9d\]: i vote for two choices =D
anapazapa [2d\]: why?
bloodninja [?\]: your mom is bad
H2N1 [5d\]: R16 votes for Q7
Warfreak2 [4d\]: pro gets two votes
]
;W[or]WL[1677.477]
;B[pr]BL[1644.712]
;W[oq]WL[1675.765]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: p2 directly?
]
;B[op]BL[1642.448]
;W[pp]WL[1674.593]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: this is new...
]
;B[nq]BL[1640.683]C[nandakanda [8d\]: p7 or q7 q8 is normal
]
;W[pm]WL[1673.033]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: just r8 now
nandakanda [8d\]: usually, this is played in adifferent order
Lukan [5d\]: it´s not new ;)
]
;B[pl]BL[1619.729]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's new to me
H2N1 [5d\]: r8
]
;W[np]WL[1663.932]C[nandakanda [8d\]: o4 p5 p5 o6 is normal now
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why hane?
hexon [3k\]: maybe a silly question, but if p7 and how would white respond to p6?
]
;B[oo]BL[1607.765]
;W[nn]WL[1661.022]C[Lukan [5d\]: because hane is only move
hexon [3k\]: a couple of moves back
smartrobot [9d\]: w will get  outside
smartrobot [9d\]: b will get territory
Bruno [2d\]: without hane should be weakness
]
;B[os]BL[1587.322]
;W[on]WL[1657.201]C[H2N1 [5d\]: R6
H2N1 [5d\]: feels w's order is wrong?
H2N1 [5d\]: Or R9?
TesujiMan [7d\]: this is joseki
nandakanda [8d\]: Told you so
H2N1 [5d\]: I c
meuns [1k\]: r6 feels nice
H2N1 [5d\]: I though w should R8 cut first...
Bruno [2d\]: then is very strange joseki
RobinUpton [?\]: I like r6
TesujiMan [7d\]: basic joseki :)
]
;B[nr]BL[1522.789]C[nandakanda [8d\]: p7 q6 q6 r9 looks good now
Bruno [2d\]: R 8
H2N1 [5d\]: R6 not that greast wihtout O2
]
;W[ql]WL[1648.649]
;B[qn]BL[1518.087]
;W[pk]WL[1638.073]
;B[ol]BL[1514.884]C[nandakanda [8d\]: s9 is joseki now
]
;W[rk]WL[1634.668]
;B[rl]BL[1511.043]C[H2N1 [5d\]: now it comes back to joseki shape
]
;W[qk]WL[1621.012]C[Bruno [2d\]: this is go very unique
nandakanda [8d\]: r9 q6 o8 
]
;B[pn]BL[1502.35]C[H2N1 [5d\]: P3
nandakanda [8d\]: o8 is joseki
MilanMilan [9d\]: i used to avoid this kind of complicated josekis
DangerBoy [2d\]: is this joseki ??
DangerBoy [2d\]: woaa
H2N1 [5d\]: but the ladder is favoing b
meuns [1k\]: if pro avoid this... :D
nandakanda [8d\]: It is a Korean joseki since a few years.
LeFourBe [4d\]: w seems not in a good shape
Bruno [2d\]: yes...black looks super happy
H2N1 [5d\]: O8 may not work...
smartrobot [9d\]: i prefer w in this case
LeFourBe [4d\]: what is the joseki ? 
petepython [?\]: q5?
anapazapa [2d\]: how?
LeFourBe [4d\]: next move ?
]
;W[nl]WL[1540.609]C[smartrobot [9d\]: w thick wall limits b top development
nandakanda [8d\]: Diana Koscegi showed it to me
anapazapa [2d\]: ah she is a cool girl
H2N1 [5d\]: P9
aap [25k\]: and hot
]
;B[ro]BL[1464.739]
;W[oq]WL[1533.346]C[nandakanda [8d\]: More importantly she was a 1p in Korea at that moment.
]
;B[or]BL[1459.474]
;W[no]WL[1531.434]
;B[oq]BL[1456.93]C[lepore [1d\]: big sqeeze
]
;W[rm]WL[1518.835]C[H2N1 [5d\]: What a nice shape
anapazapa [2d\]: at ten she was 13k though
Bruno [2d\]: is impossible to remember this joseki 
]
;B[rn]BL[1449.238]
;W[sl]WL[1517.288]C[Bruno [2d\]: heh
hexon [3k\]: nandakanda, please stick only to the relevant details
nandakanda [8d\]: Most moves are logical
niagarahh: this is joseki...? can this result be considered even?
ibd [5k?\]: s3
nandakanda [8d\]: excuse me, hexon?
Chachi [2k\]: r6 is hard
hexon [3k\]: I'm joking
Sire [1k\]: looks good to white
nandakanda [8d\]: ok
hexon [3k\]: was agreeing with you
Benzene [?\]: wf2, q8 hane at r8 nobi i tihnk w has q10
meuns [1k\]: 8d troll
bloodninja [?\]: 8ds take things too seriously
zflyhorse [1k\]: b just got a small corner 
nandakanda [8d\]: W p7 is sente
Sire [1k\]: it's not small
Chachi [2k\]: not really
meuns [1k\]: huge corner
Chachi [2k\]: n3 sticking out is huge
itepilah [1d\]: b has nice shape
Sire [1k\]: just white got significant influence too 
meuns [1k\]: b27 bomber
anapazapa [2d\]: 20pts corner frm open komoku
nandakanda [8d\]: I can't see your face, so it is difficult to know how serious you are.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: does steve know more joseki than ben?
smartrobot [9d\]: when w becomes strong, the top looks weak now
meuns [1k\]: noone is serious here
]
;B[db]BL[1317.531]C[Bruno [2d\]: P 16 seems to be invadeable
Bruno [2d\]: right?
Sire [1k\]: hehe
smartrobot [9d\]: so b spend one move defend for top side
nandakanda [8d\]: In this case, this joseki looks good for W
MilanMilan [9d\]: I prefer p16 for v
Sire [1k\]: s4 is comparatively small to white
MilanMilan [9d\]: b
nandakanda [8d\]: W p16 
Chachi [2k\]: why not s4??
kopsakhs: p16 is big
]
;W[rp]WL[1467.685]C[nandakanda [8d\]: or maybe W p17 
enfamil [3d\]: ko now
meuns [1k\]: i prefer p17 
nandakanda [8d\]: p7 p9 t4 etc works for B
zflyhorse [1k\]: b got trouble 
kamigodo [4k\]: wonder if B can just S2 then tenuki
meuns [1k\]: no way
michi2009 [6d\]: b fine, but w wants to play p9 in sente
enfamil [3d\]: if no ko,w can take 3 in sente
smartrobot [9d\]: oh, maybe b need do the exchange of s3 and p9 first
smartrobot [9d\]: now it is annoying
nandakanda [8d\]: being able to play p7 should be good enough
Chachi [2k\]: i dont see how d18 is worth s4
vagabundo [2d\]: no way to tenuki for b right?
fdfdgddf: b is dead
dexdan [7d\]: s2
enfamil [3d\]: p7
Sire [1k\]: d18 can strengthen f17 and l17
]
;B[sp]BL[1173.704]C[tofutofu [1k\]: you cannot tenuki when you already have aclump like P2 + friends
MilanMilan [9d\]: T4?
]
;W[sq]WL[1457.547]
;B[om]BL[1166.393]C[kamigodo [4k\]: looks... wierd
]
;W[ok]WL[1452.601]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: what's b intention here?
Sire [1k\]: at the same time, it threat c14 two stones
]
;B[so]BL[1164.355]C[RobinUpton [?\]: d18 confuses me - f3 area looked more likely to me
Chachi [2k\]: invested 1 5 moves on the top and 1 move on the top, only to abandon the 5 moves?
meuns [1k\]: nice joseki
uwaki [-\]: hee hee
enfamil [3d\]: as I said, w will take 3 in sente
H2N1 [5d\]: this is bad for b
LazyDragon [3k\]: ko
kopsakhs: t6?
Jinni [2k\]: no ko
meuns [1k\]: a lot of tricky moves
kimidori [2d\]: double Ko?
kopsakhs: t6= sente ko for w
smartrobot [9d\]: i think b'd better have s3 and p9 exchange before d18
smartrobot [9d\]: now w can remove p7 in sente
kamigodo [4k\]: no ko
uwaki [-\]: no ko
H2N1 [5d\]: O7
Pottu [2k\]: no ko
Chachi [2k\]: t6
kopsakhs: huge ko
Bruno [2d\]: T 6 is not good
smartrobot [9d\]: Hi friends, this is a promotional game for "Experience Go in China 2011", thanks for watching! For further info: http://www.experience-go.com/
Chachi [2k\]: if white wins the ko the game is over
uwaki [-\]: t6, t2?
smartrobot [9d\]: We'll invite Chen Yaoye 9p, Wang Qun 8p and Yu Ping 6p as our visiting teachers and play with some participants this summer.  Besides, we also invited some famous and active players in Europe today, to teach in our program or come to visit us this summer!  Don't hesitate to join us and you'll get teaching from all the strong players!
Sire [1k\]: white can tenuki now
]
;W[od]WL[1353.77]C[smartrobot [9d\]: If you're interested, please message our program's organizers, Finnish8d 9d and MilanMilan 9d on KGS, thanks. : )
]
;B[oc]BL[1150.621]
;W[nd]WL[1330.147]C[aap [25k\]: i will also be reviewing games, be there!
inlite [4k\]: r13 
watayasu [4k\]: q16
chibisai [-\]: ojoj en till? :o
meuns [1k\]: aap !
meuns [1k\]: :D
Sire [1k\]: q17
chibisai [-\]: yay ^^
kopsakhs: missclick by w
zurk [1d\]: q16
aap [25k\]: meunsieee
kopsakhs: r14
michi2009 [6d\]: no, w on purpose 
olyv [6k\]: q17
]
;B[nc]BL[1086.77]C[bwizfoshiz [8k\]: teach me for free and i'm there
]
;W[pd]WL[1322.862]
;B[pc]BL[1084.721]
;W[qe]WL[1320.984]C[kopsakhs: me too
kopsakhs: =D
LazyDragon [3k\]: fly me there and I'll pay for teaching :p
inlite [4k\]: very big fo w
]
;B[re]BL[1048.669]C[kopsakhs: fo?
Romeo [2d\]: I don't need to fly I can teleport.
]
;W[rd]WL[1304.617]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: damefomari
inlite [4k\]: for
]
;B[qc]BL[1045.827]C[aap [25k\]: fly me teaching and i will pay for the bathroom
]
;W[rf]WL[1303.434]C[kopsakhs: lol
]
;B[pe]BL[1043.528]
;W[qf]WL[1302.141]
;B[md]BL[1040.738]
;W[of]WL[1299.898]C[kopsakhs: tefugi
byanjiong [6k\]: invite me, i can teach for free
byanjiong [6k\]: ^^
kopsakhs: u can teach idiot things :D
mysticbard [4k\]: is o7 not sente? 
LazyDragon [3k\]: you can teach the teachers
antiriad [2d\]: f15
Sire [1k\]: f3
Romeo [2d\]: I could teach. Just not go.
LazyDragon [3k\]: show them some mistakes they have never seen befor
aap [25k\]: n15
]
;B[ch]BL[971.649]C[dfyz [2k\]: position w is better?
]
;W[cc]WL[1292.731]C[Romeo [2d\]: I would teach... relaxing.
jezebel [4k\]: seems like black haven't compensation for this
Warfreak2 [4d\]: chen lei will teach love
smartrobot [9d\]: i like w, but it's still early
jezebel [4k\]: yep
gogonuts [5d\]: i like b
qwazidan [4k?\]: i'd think the joseki so tricky b might have theoretical edge
gogonuts [5d\]: but its still close
Romeo [2d\]: This is 2.5 game
smartrobot [9d\]: steve will teach poker =D
]
;B[cn]BL[915.882]C[aap [25k\]: i like black but we are still only dating
Sire [1k\]: brave guy
RobinUpton [?\]: o7 invites big throw in ko = danger
]
;W[dk]WL[1267.252]C[jezebel [4k\]: i preffer orange, is cool
Sire [1k\]: f4
uwaki [-\]: o7 => s2
smartrobot [9d\]: since w has great influnce at right side, so w wants fight more than peace
MilanMilan [9d\]: Teach love?
gogonuts [5d\]: duck away to f3?
Jahfab [1d\]: I can teach how to drink :p
mysticbard [4k\]: i see s2, but would consider white dead in  the corner
jezebel [4k\]: yes, i talkinf abt this, W has cash+ big influence
antiriad [2d\]: aren't c6 and c12 too far from each other?
Sire [1k\]: infact, white cannot let b to play subsequently at c9
gogonuts [5d\]: but f3 feels low
gogonuts [5d\]: how about g4?
RobinUpton [?\]: yeah, seems w dead to me
]
;B[fe]BL[722.549]C[RobinUpton [?\]: black c3?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he will have difficulty playing c3 when it's white's turn
domanich [12k\]: w is creating ko areas which is equal to bottom right
Romeo [2d\]: Learn to tenuki like pros.
rats [2d?\]: that was a really interesting lower right fight
jezebel [4k\]: the option of two approaches split B in many groups
Romeo [2d\]: There's no ko bottom right domanich.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: there is a ko
smartrobot [9d\]: steve is senstive for territory
Romeo [2d\]: where?
domanich [12k\]: t6
Warfreak2 [4d\]: throw in t6, if you t2 i will s2
Romeo [2d\]: huh?
Romeo [2d\]: t6 s2 ?
RobinUpton [?\]: Some of my comments delayed due to slow Dhaka internet ;-)
uwaki [-\]: t6, s2
ben103 [4k\]: who is steve?
meuns [1k\]: who is steve ?
aap [25k\]: we have people from bangladesh here?
smartrobot [9d\]: steve is ancientgo
nandakanda [8d\]: B is leading
Sire [1k\]: ceo of apple
meuns [1k\]: ok ok
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then p7 is already captured
gogonuts [5d\]: nothing n the lower right
Am [5d\]: no komi  
RobinUpton [?\]: :-)
]
;W[cb]WL[1131.784]C[Romeo [2d\]: p7 IS captured
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, b can play a ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: :-p
smartrobot [9d\]: AncientGo is steve, zhao xin or huang longshi =D
nandakanda [8d\]: b14 c15 e6 ?
]
;B[bf]BL[694.242]C[Romeo [2d\]: THAT ko is just crazy, risking all for 3 stones
meuns [1k\]: b13 
gogonuts [5d\]: the ghost of huang longshi, impressive
smartrobot [9d\]: c18 is solid, w is calm
Tasky [1d\]: is b pro?
gogonuts [5d\]: b14 looks good
Benzene [?\]: there's a nice reivew of a huang longshi game i saw
smartrobot [9d\]: b is strong ama
ben103 [4k\]: b has 3 diferent names? nice
RobinUpton [?\]: File under emergency Aji for later, Romeo
Chachi [2k\]: why did black not play s4
Benzene [?\]: http://www.gocommentary.com/free-videos/greatest-games-ever-played-04-huang-longshi-vs-jiang-tianyuan.html
Chachi [2k\]: in the beginning
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's not quite risking for just three stones, if b pushes o7 then wins the ko he can have o5
smartrobot [9d\]: Hi friends, this is a promotional game for "Experience Go in China 2011", thanks for watching! For further info: http://www.experience-go.com/ 
rats [2d?\]: emergency in case you want to win by 0.5 but are winning by much more?
]
;W[be]WL[1043.101]C[smartrobot [9d\]: If you're interested, please message our program's organizers, Finnish8d 9d and MilanMilan 9d on KGS, thanks. : )
uwaki [-\]: wanted an extra move
Bruno [2d\]: b is not pro only becouse he don't have the title 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: and if it's a ko he captures first and w has no threat
RobinUpton [?\]: I like B so far. N15 good fit with F15 etc, W feels like some overconcentrated on right
gogonuts [5d\]: now g4
Chachi [2k\]: i feel like d18 was not worth all the aggravation s4 now brings
nandakanda [8d\]: e6 seems reasonable now
Yoseki [3k\]: bottom B is shaped like Texas
Chachi [2k\]: lol
uwaki [-\]: ha ha
Luffyop [1d\]: true =)
Bruno [2d\]: that must be a coincidence
nandakanda [8d\]: if d14 c13 d12 causes confusion.
joejoe [4k\]: 2 b2 bomber
thekaiser [2d\]: if b doesnt e6 w c5 right?
ben103 [4k\]: no Bruno, on purpose
Bruno [2d\]: no
joejoe [4k\]: *bombers
nandakanda [8d\]: B can also opt  for f3 or f4 
ben103 [4k\]: b told me before the game "I will shape Texas, you will see"
Yoseki [3k\]: D7 is good?
GarouDan [6k\]: b13 works for w? looks yes
thekaiser [2d\]: yes cause if w d7
thekaiser [2d\]: it seems good for b
]
;B[eh]BL[530.319]C[nandakanda [8d\]: e12 seems too soft
smartrobot [9d\]: b changed his mind
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont like e12
Sire [1k\]: b is aggressive
smartrobot [9d\]: usually b plays at d14
nandakanda [8d\]: e6 now?
Nick8a [1k\]: wow b aggresive
gogonuts [5d\]: i thought the point of b14 was to economize on e12
GolanVa [3k\]: whats the meaning of E12 
smartrobot [9d\]: i think b was afraid of w c13
dexdan [7d\]: black has confidence from previous game
nandakanda [8d\]: but if at d14 c13 d13 d12 
SnC [2k\]: who is better now. 
gogonuts [5d\]: not aggressive - rather too careful here imo
RobinUpton [?\]: e12 seems good effect on centre. now only lonely stone is c6
SnC [2k\]: w leading?
nandakanda [8d\]: B is still a little better
dexdan [7d\]: close game
RobinUpton [?\]: Is B13 now sente for B?
Bruno [2d\]: D 9 is well settled 
Sire [1k\]: f3
Tasky [1d\]: could you explain why you feel b better?
ben103 [4k\]: what will be the w's next play?
nandakanda [8d\]: B has more territory and no weak groups
smartrobot [9d\]: i guess c5
Tasky [1d\]: isn't c6 a weak group?
gogonuts [5d\]: w just f3
nandakanda [8d\]: c5 d6 f4 f9 looks bad
]
;W[cq]WL[873.864]C[fthvrl [7k?\]: g3
balvenie [2k\]: what is the theory behind b14?
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Sire [1k\]: c5 just like asking for fight?
Yoseki [3k\]: ouch
smartrobot [9d\]: o
Nick8a [1k\]: wow
dexdan [7d\]: i prefer being black on this board
smartrobot [9d\]: i'm wrong again
nandakanda [8d\]: c3 is really weird
smartrobot [9d\]: sad
Warfreak2 [4d\]: c3 i have never imagined in my wildest dreams
Ssamm: i dont think 1 stone is a 'group'
Nick8a [1k\]: both so passive aggresive
MilanMilan [9d\]: c3..
Yoseki [3k\]: C6 not so weak because D9 is also weak
Sire [1k\]: testing move?
Sire [1k\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: they really dont want to play on the lower side
RobinUpton [?\]: weird shape. Make me think of e6 for B
ben103 [4k\]: Milan², e6 for b now?
Ftsprt [1k\]: MilanMilan c3 not good?
nandakanda [8d\]: W e6, c3 c4 d3 e4 b4 b5 b5 b3 c5 f3 d11 might have been more normal
chon107 [1k\]: c3 mean?
gogonuts [5d\]: e6 and boshi looks reasonable to me, even though b cant hold w
Benzene [?\]: i remember lee chang ho played c3 in a somewhat similar position against choi cheolhan
MilanMilan [9d\]: it's not common
MilanMilan [9d\]: but I know the reason w play c3
miiiilli: perhaps white wants to jump farther to the right with wC3
nandakanda [8d\]: But W judged that the corner is bigger than anything else
Ftsprt [1k\]: what reason? )
]
;B[en]BL[412.773]C[Pichan [1k\]: simply E 6?
]
;W[dm]WL[867.881]C[katil [1k\]: hehe if i wouldn t see topic i  say that this is ddk game
]
;B[dn]BL[405.359]C[Bruno [2d\]: D 9 is well settled
MilanMilan [9d\]: the lower part not very valueable to both
gogonuts [5d\]: turbo peep
Warfreak2 [4d\]: for maximum damage
SnC [2k\]: c3 strange
]
;W[fp]WL[847.793]C[Sire [1k\]: c3 just like forcing b to follow w's plan
MilanMilan [9d\]: which means the corner is relatvely bigger
nandakanda [8d\]: f9 
MilanMilan [9d\]: F9 is risky
GoSensei [5d\]: whats up with c3?
gogonuts [5d\]: jump again?
Ftsprt [1k\]: thank you
Pichan [1k\]: f8
nandakanda [8d\]: But now W has a weak group
gogonuts [5d\]: g6
chon107 [1k\]: thanks
sum [5d\]: f9 d11 d12 f10 
RobinUpton [?\]: Black H3?
gojustingo [8k\]: n15 
MilanMilan [9d\]: :)
SnC [2k\]: b9
smartrobot [9d\]: b also has one weak group
Yoseki [3k\]: G5
ben103 [4k\]: g6 f8 h4
nandakanda [8d\]: B can also play h3 if he has no confidence in an attack
smartrobot [9d\]: so w can make use of right side wall
]
;B[fk]BL[332.939]C[Nick8a [1k\]: O
]
;W[di]WL[837.347]C[nandakanda [8d\]: where is B's weak group?
gojustingo [8k\]: ty
rsun [3d\]: uh oh
miiiilli: lol, 8d should know
Benzene [?\]: final of 6th ing cup: http://www.go4go.net/v2/modules/collection/sgfview.php?id=20620
smartrobot [9d\]: is c6 group not weak?
nandakanda [8d\]: Not really
gogonuts [5d\]: b d14?
]
;B[df]BL[302.63]C[flashback [7d\]: :))
]
;W[ce]WL[827.456]C[rsun [3d\]: is this promotional game?
gogonuts [5d\]: that looks correct
LipStick [6k\]: ancient seems to be in good shape these days
nandakanda [8d\]: B has room for eyes and can run out and W is weak
smartrobot [9d\]: yes
smartrobot [9d\]: Hi friends, this is a promotional game for "Experience Go in China 2011", thanks for watching! For further info: http://www.experience-go.com/
smartrobot [9d\]: If you're interested, please message our program's organizers, Finnish8d 9d and MilanMilan 9d on KGS, thanks. : )
ben103 [4k\]: ESPN
gogonuts [5d\]: now c13 is more satisfying then d12
Yoseki [3k\]: am I crazy or E10 is good for B?
]
;B[dh]BL[241.326]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
smartrobot [9d\]: there is a little difference between out judgement =)
]
;W[fj]WL[811.306]C[Pichan [1k\]: e10
smartrobot [9d\]: b is not rich of eye shape i think
gogonuts [5d\]: g9?
]
;B[ej]BL[210.413]C[nandakanda [8d\]: hmm, I think B is way ahead now
]
;W[fl]WL[807.724]C[rsun [3d\]: w right side looks a bit overconcentrated 
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont like e10
gogonuts [5d\]: b is getting outmaneuvered here
]
;B[gk]BL[188.551]C[judicata [5k\]: not your first right call Pichan :) nice
zurk [1d\]: n13 will be painful :/
nandakanda [8d\]: Not at all
nandakanda [8d\]: In the meanwhile B got the center
Yoseki [3k\]: B want upper center
ben103 [4k\]: he will give up C6 for center?
meuns [1k\]: where can i find huang longshi's games ?
]
;W[gl]WL[738.828]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: on his user info
RobinUpton [?\]: Is W aiming for F6 ?
nandakanda [8d\]: W can't stop B from moving into the center and/or making eyes
SnC [2k\]: what about b c6 group?
rsun [3d\]: huang longshi that's old stuff
Yoseki [3k\]: now C6 is really weak (@ smartrobot)
Weishenme [4d\]: http://gokifu.com/
josek [6k\]: now b has a weak group
meuns [1k\]: thx
smartrobot [9d\]: =D
Sire [1k\]: b9 would be workable later?
SnC [2k\]: like milanmilan said, f9 is risky
nandakanda [8d\]: c6 does not look weak to me
flashback [7d\]: Huang Longshi the best playzer ever !
yakito [1k\]: wow another game 
yakito [1k\]: is b won before?
itepilah [1d\]: according to go seigen huang longshi 13p
MilanMilan [9d\]: I guess b won't sacriface those 3 stones here
MilanMilan [9d\]: it's huge,
Chachi [2k\]: g6?
SnC [2k\]: ya, it is huge
Pichan [1k\]: g6
mkeller [7k\]: is this an even game?
ben103 [4k\]: but b cant have it all, can he?
Yoseki [3k\]: no komi
smartrobot [9d\]: b is a little greaey
gogonuts [5d\]: about him and some games:http://www.msoworld.com/mindzine/news/orient/go/history/longshi.html
]
;B[el]BL[26.141]C[mkeller [7k\]: thanks
meuns [1k\]: thx
]
;W[em]WL[733.917]C[ljugapa [4d\]: interesting mozak
uwaki [-\]: guess black will try and live at base
kamiiyu [6k\]: aww byo-yomi
Chachi [2k\]: what is going on
]
;B[dl]BL[60]OB[3]C[Chachi [2k\]: why not g6
nandakanda [8d\]: e8 e7 exchange is doubtful
]
;W[cm]WL[728.895]
;B[fm]BL[60]OB[3]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: b wanna sacriface,
Yoseki [3k\]: s oB decided to give up C6
rsun [3d\]: saving 3 stones will lose the game
MilanMilan [9d\]: b6
]
;W[bn]WL[701.592]C[kukulis4 [3d\]: bravo :)
kukulis4 [3d\]: 9d thinking like 3p :D
thekaiser [2d\]: exchange?
meuns [1k\]: nice fight
]
;B[hl]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[gm]WL[698.24]C[blueblues [2k\]: i think more like a 2p :P
]
;B[fn]BL[60]OB[3]C[joejoe [4k\]: b will have good moyo at upper side
]
;W[hm]WL[693.136]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: Thanks for your appreciate:)
meuns [1k\]: hehe
racarr [6k\]: first to tenuki will play n14?
rsun [3d\]: o14
josek [6k\]: low side getting bigger?
petition [3k\]: only 7 obs in the kgs+ game... everyone wants to be here
]
;B[bm]BL[60]OB[3]C[racarr [6k\]: oh o14 nice.
]
;W[cl]WL[690.194]
;B[ek]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsun [3d\]: for b
Nick8a [1k\]: sacrifice
]
;W[bl]WL[688.286]C[Nick8a [1k\]: or not
]
;B[bo]BL[60]OB[3]C[ben103 [4k\]: n13
Noahid [-\]: it looks like killing
]
;W[am]WL[685.276]C[Mdx [5k\]: kill it with fire
]
;B[cp]BL[60]OB[3]C[kenzomat [8k?\]: what the another one!??! :(
Nick8a [1k\]: w can ko
]
;W[bq]WL[670.408]C[rsun [3d\]: b says "eat me if you can"
Nick8a [1k\]: nothin close to dead yet
kenzomat [8k?\]: aw was there a game befre this?
Chachi [2k\]: i thought he was going to sacrifice b6
smartrobot [9d\]: i didnt get b purpose
kenzomat [8k?\]: cant believe i missed it :(
Mdx [5k\]: decipher-me or i'll eat you
ben103 [4k\]: h6
miiiilli: I think black catastrophy here
smartrobot [9d\]: b wants to big moyo and f6 group at the same time
kukulis4 [3d\]: if black f6 gets enough libs, then he can play B10 to kill B8
]
;B[go]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsun [3d\]: b will either double hane or clamp
Nick8a [1k\]: o
Nick8a [1k\]: i thought he might b9
Nick8a [1k\]: b10 sorry
]
;W[hq]WL[657.31]C[thekaiser [2d\]: b10 b4 miai
MilanMilan [9d\]: b10 is nice shape
Chachi [2k\]: j5?
kukulis4 [3d\]: rigth
kukulis4 [3d\]: miai
Nick8a [1k\]: yup miai
senno [-\]: j7 now?
]
;B[hp]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsun [3d\]: b says "nobi if you dare"
smartrobot [9d\]: h4 is nice
kukulis4 [3d\]: but if black a5, White a6, then b4 doesnt work for white anymore
Nick8a [1k\]: yea
zaphodb [4d\]: ever so miai^^
subzeroII [1d\]: nobi wan kenobi
RobinUpton [?\]: If W needs A5 aji, he has big ko threat with S2
Bruno [2d\]: T 6
thorongil [3k\]: w losing/
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w will not play a5
thorongil [3k\]: ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he can connect directly without ko using b4 atari
rsun [3d\]: t6 t2
thekaiser [2d\]: if b a5 w b10
thekaiser [2d\]: then b12
thekaiser [2d\]: not pb
kukulis4 [3d\]: ok
Bruno [2d\]: S 2
thekaiser [2d\]: to live
evanj [3d\]: this is true
smartrobot [9d\]: Hi friends, this is a promotional game for "Experience Go in China 2011", thanks for watching! For further info: http://www.experience-go.com/
RobinUpton [?\]: i see
kukulis4 [3d\]: but then black takes B6 and lives localy with ko
smartrobot [9d\]: If you're interested, please message our program's organizers, Finnish8d 9d and MilanMilan 9d on KGS, thanks. : )
]
;W[jm]WL[508.713]
;B[iq]BL[60]OB[3]C[thekaiser [2d\]: no need to take ko
]
;W[gq]WL[493.962]C[racarr [6k\]: j3 ouch?
thekaiser [2d\]: this seems good for b
evanj [3d\]: j3 ouch
veiron [5k\]: alive
Weishenme [4d\]: poor result for w no ?
veiron [5k\]: black
Nick8a [1k\]: k4 on the way+
senno [-\]: b has some advantage?
Chachi [2k\]: j8?
meuns [1k\]: tough game
Lehmbruck [1k\]: not bens day today
]
;B[jp]BL[60]OB[3]C[Yoseki [3k\]: but W gets sente
Bruno [2d\]: J 16 seems to be necessary for w
zzzzzza [4k\]: well 9dan can't bet 3P?
]
;W[ij]WL[474.042]C[rsun [3d\]: w can g16, k16
Chachi [2k\]: j8?
thekaiser [2d\]: shinning move
veiron [5k\]: B10
eatpasta: j16 seems  too deep
thekaiser [2d\]: xD
wizzerd [1d\]: who says ancient isnt 3p?
zife [3d?\]: wizzerd, he did
smartrobot [9d\]: result is better than my imagination for b
Bruno [2d\]: he
RobinUpton [?\]: N15 getting bigger for both all the time
AlexSeth [15k\]: is ancientgo a pro?
]
;B[hk]BL[60]OB[3]C[kenzomat [8k?\]: i thought ancient is an ama
thekaiser [2d\]: i thought he was 2P
smartrobot [9d\]: he is strong ama
]
;W[jk]WL[463.576]C[wizzerd [1d\]: ok
miiiilli: bB10 kills?
smartrobot [9d\]: strongest ama in beijing university students
Nick8a [1k\]: will he j7
wizzerd [1d\]: :)
senno [-\]: k14 ?)
Bruno [2d\]: do you defeat Ancientgoo smartrobot?
racarr [6k\]: white can connect under
]
;B[mf]BL[60]OB[3]C[miiiilli: can he?
mkeller [7k\]: b4?
racarr [6k\]: b4
miiiilli: or is it a ko to connect under?
racarr [6k\]: no
racarr [6k\]: a5 ko
thekaiser [2d\]: w is suffering constantly
racarr [6k\]: b4 just
racarr [6k\]: connects
ben103 [4k\]: 9d's, who is ahead?
Bruno [2d\]: J 16 is a kicking butt move
Nick8a [1k\]: yup b4 no ko
rsun [3d\]: now g16, k16
]
;W[jg]WL[417.479]C[miiiilli: ah thanks
Bruno [2d\]: that is a small kick
Nick8a [1k\]: o i like this for w
astalia [1d\]: doesnt b10 kills
racarr [6k\]: astalia: b4....
Nick8a [1k\]: j10 k13 took away so much potential from b
vagabundo [2d\]: no, b10-b4
kenzomat [8k?\]: that move can redden ears
]
;B[dq]BL[60]OB[3]C[eatpasta: lol
uwaki [-\]: bang
thekaiser [2d\]: d2
meuns [1k\]: e3 
]
;W[eq]WL[393.355]C[thekaiser [2d\]: xD
MilanMilan [9d\]: yose tesuji
smartrobot [9d\]: with d5 sente
killer2 [4d\]: why
MilanMilan [9d\]: why E3
]
;B[do]BL[60]OB[3]C[racarr [6k\]: isnt d5 trouble?
Nick8a [1k\]: still trying to capture
smartrobot [9d\]: b b10
racarr [6k\]: Yes like this -.-
mkeller [7k\]: what about b10 now?
ben103 [4k\]: nice!
racarr [6k\]: now b10 makes ko...
astalia [1d\]: b can play a5 first
Lehmbruck [1k\]: oh... now ko?
rsun [3d\]: I thought w would e4 instead of e3
astalia [1d\]: then b 10
mkeller [7k\]: yep
BadPotato [7k\]: now ko with b10 
racarr [6k\]: I thought w would d2...
miiiilli: cool
ben103 [4k\]: connection under conditioned by ko
racarr [6k\]: because of this :/
mkeller [7k\]: b4 is also ko for connect
Nick8a [1k\]: now yes b4 ko
RobinUpton [?\]: White d10 now?
zflyhorse [1k\]: if b  little better ?
smartrobot [9d\]: i think w is a little careless here
Nick8a [1k\]: yea
smartrobot [9d\]: this ko is very light for b
kenzomat [8k?\]: hey smartrobot will there be another game after this?
thorongil [3k\]: b is rapscallion
RobinUpton [?\]: Or b11 threaten F9 group?
Lehmbruck [1k\]: wb10?
Nick8a [1k\]: w cant figure out what to do
Pichan [1k\]: poor white
ben103 [4k\]: rapscallion is a jaspion enemy?
AutoAtari [2k\]: w is pretty weak
Tasky [1d\]: lol
cekalo [4k\]: why not just d2?
michaelk [1k\]: ...
Nick8a [1k\]: haha
smartrobot [9d\]: lol
Lehmbruck [1k\]: d2 b10?
byanjiong [6k\]: why white need to connect? he can simply do eye with  b10
thorongil [3k\]: autoatari needs a 48 hr break from kgs to regain his wits
racarr [6k\]: byanjiong: Living in gote unbearable hehe
bloodninja [?\]: pretty weak compared to active pros, true
thekaiser [2d\]: e3 was played so fast
thekaiser [2d\]: weird
thekaiser [2d\]: even i saw that -_-
vagabundo [2d\]: e3 should be e4?, but still had aji
rats [2d?\]: byanjiang, not the full picture, if white doesn't capture d3, then it will be ko at the bottom instead
AutoAtari [2k\]: I have my wits, thank you very much; I was actually being witty
]
;W[dr]WL[189.953]
;B[bj]BL[60]OB[3]C[Nick8a [1k\]: time for ko
mkeller [7k\]: yay!
thorongil [3k\]: no you weren't, you were being a stupid troll
Nick8a [1k\]: fun fun fun
funbot [3k\]: why black didnt a5 first?
LowKey [?\]: observers >650
ben103 [4k\]: gyodai!!!!!!!!!!
Nick8a [1k\]: dudes 
crsronaldo [6k\]: b11
Nick8a [1k\]: relaxe
AutoAtari [2k\]: the pot is calling the kettle black
Mdx [5k\]: autoatari enters semeai
]
;W[ao]WL[158.648]C[yakito [1k\]: big ko....
]
;B[ap]BL[60]OB[3]C[smartrobot [9d\]: crisis to w
wizzerd [1d\]: and is the pot right?
MilanMilan [9d\]: AutoAtari,it's not the fisrt time I saw you say sth rude:(
]
;W[bp]WL[154.346]C[Nick8a [1k\]: huge
]
;B[an]BL[60]OB[3]C[Nick8a [1k\]: its the game
Nick8a [1k\]: imo anyway
gogonuts [5d\]: success for b
]
;W[nm]WL[142.682]C[racarr [6k\]: b could lose the ko and still win
AutoAtari [2k\]: also not the first time I'm being misunderstood
Pichan [1k\]: free lunch for black
Nick8a [1k\]: ignore
TesujiMan [7d\]: if ignore still ko
TesujiMan [7d\]: not good
]
;B[qo]BL[60]OB[3]C[nadadan [3k\]: not inognore
]
;W[ao]WL[134.822]C[Nick8a [1k\]: how so 
Nick8a [1k\]: b only woulda lost 3 stones
RobinUpton [?\]: Why not threaten with S2 ?
yakito [1k\]: j8 
MilanMilan [9d\]: yes, b shouldn't tenuki
Mdx [5k\]: not only 3
rsun [3d\]: b not too many threats?
ben103 [4k\]: b18 or so
]
;B[lh]BL[60]OB[3]C[bloodninja [?\]: b18 LOL
LowKey [?\]: b need 2 moves to end it
Pichan [1k\]: take
Nefeste [4k\]: ig nore?
racarr [6k\]: no threat to kill top left
thekaiser [2d\]: this i like a lot of points
Nick8a [1k\]: i wouldnt ignore
Warfreak2 [4d\]: is e3 wrong then
nadadan [3k\]: this is tipicical move that kiu eats
rsun [3d\]: w has g16, k16 sabaki shape
RobinUpton [?\]: instead of o7.
josek [6k\]: this kind of move is different as seem as a ko threat
thekaiser [2d\]: b k12 and he gains 20 pnts
kamiiyu [6k\]: b b13 is a threat?
vagabundo [2d\]: no kamiiyu
itepilah [1d\]: ignore ing ore
]
;W[gd]WL[79.575]C[Nick8a [1k\]: wow
kamiiyu [6k\]: ty vagabundo
Nefeste [4k\]: w has q7 as ko threat,,
]
;B[fd]BL[60]OB[3]C[Mozar [7k?\]: .
AutoAtari [2k\]: it's absolutely ridiculous to have to explain it, but here it goes: I do not seriously think he is weak, I was extrapolating the other people's comments for comical effects
Nick8a [1k\]: fight
Bunkrownik [2d\]: ancient 6d ama right?
gogonuts [5d\]: w needs special measures :-)
Nick8a [1k\]: mortal combat
smartrobot [9d\]: yes
Nick8a [1k\]: hahaha
Mdx [5k\]: AutoAtaris enters heavy shape
Bunkrownik [2d\]: doing pretty well against 3p 
bobstep [7k\]: s3 and q7
Pvp [9k\]: 675 ppl observing thsi game
Pvp [9k\]: damn lol
wizzerd [1d\]: lol mdx
MilanMilan [9d\]: well, we's not treat it as a seriouly problem
Yoseki [3k\]: zing
MilanMilan [9d\]: and let's focus on the game:)
rsun [3d\]: k16 makes good shape
cekalo [4k\]: yes
Yoseki [3k\]: so W can ignore now?
ben103 [4k\]: lets focus on the ad's
AutoAtari [2k\]: it's pretty funny that I have kibitzers now
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i'm glad you told us you were being witty, autoatari, since we actually wouldn't have noticed otherwise
gogonuts [5d\]: w needs to do too many things - he also has to finish the ko at some point
hadigit [1d\]: which ad? can you repeat again? :)
racarr [6k\]: maybe black should have not fought ko and
racarr [6k\]: solidified territory
Yoseki [3k\]: Go in China
Mdx [5k\]: AutoAtari gets self confidence
Yoseki [3k\]: cut it out you guys seriously
Pichan [1k\]: w has to take at c5
]
;W[jd]WL[60]OW[3]C[LowKey [?\]: nice call
hadigit [1d\]: new skill is acquired: self confidence
Nick8a [1k\]: mice call on k16
SnC [2k\]: c5
Lehmbruck [1k\]: nomen est omen...
vagabundo [2d\]: m12 maybe a mistake?
]
;B[kd]BL[60]OB[3]C[Tasky [1d\]: two step ko for b. probably top much bigger
RobinUpton [?\]: A6
rats [2d?\]: wow, 3d's recommendation
rsun [3d\]: now w can take ko
rsun [3d\]: no more cut
Yoseki [3k\]: hey hey i saw K16 too ;0
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's direct ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not two steps
smartrobot [9d\]: tasky, accurate comment  =)
gogonuts [5d\]: the basic idea of m12 is to just play a normal move, not a ko threat
Warfreak2 [4d\]: to win ko, b fills at a5
smartrobot [9d\]: since the ko is light for b
zurk [1d\]: yeah
zurk [1d\]: then connected by double ko
Tasky [1d\]: oh right
smartrobot [9d\]: the game is still a little hard for w
Tasky [1d\]: didn't see double ko
Jinni [2k\]: a5 leaves a ko
rsun [3d\]: a fake ko
SnC [2k\]: the ko is heavy for w
racarr [6k\]: white can not win the ko after 15
racarr [6k\]: a5*
Jinni [2k\]: ah
racarr [6k\]: double ko...
]
;W[ci]WL[60]OW[2]C[Bunkrownik [2d\]: what age is ancient?
racarr [6k\]: at c7 and c5.
zurk [1d\]: very old
rsun [3d\]: gotta be fairly old to be ancient
ceverian [9k\]: =D
kukulis4 [3d\]: yeah
AutoAtari [2k\]: about 25
meuns [1k\]: oler than huang longshi !
mkeller [7k\]: question of the day
gogonuts [5d\]: several thousand years
gogonuts [5d\]: we dont know all his ioncarnations
Warfreak2 [4d\]: isn't c11 better used as a ko threat?
Bunkrownik [2d\]: he could become pro if he is so good against them
]
;B[bi]BL[60]OB[3]C[Bunkrownik [2d\]: :)
vagabundo [2d\]: very nice moves here by white
rsun [3d\]: w ends the ko now
gogonuts [5d\]: why did that help w?
thekaiser [2d\]: c5 (chills)
RobinUpton [?\]: maybe w plan to win the ko
bonta [1d\]: b13 first?
rats [2d?\]: timesuji
Nefeste [4k\]: b9 first?
astalia [1d\]: yeah what does c11 do
rsun [3d\]: I thought it was time suji
yakito [1k\]: b13 c9 
bonta [1d\]: right
DrGoPlayer [3k\]: yes time
rsun [3d\]: ben had just 2 sec left
Warfreak2 [4d\]: affects e11 cut
yakito [1k\]: yes
]
;W[co]WL[60]OW[2]C[Lehmbruck [1k\]: who is ahead now?
thekaiser [2d\]: k12 attack?
mkeller [7k\]: that ko didn
mkeller [7k\]: t really work for b
yakito [1k\]: j14 ?
ben103 [4k\]: sad, lost ko and moyo
kukulis4 [3d\]: K15
rsun [3d\]: w shape very flexible, k12 may not be effective
racarr [6k\]: w handled that really delicately...
BadMove [-\]: prout
Bunkrownik [2d\]: what do you mean racarr?
AutoAtari [2k\]: w handled it like a pro
Lehmbruck [1k\]: b still ahead... no?
zurk [1d\]: somewhere around k11 now
rsun [3d\]: maybe j13
Pichan [1k\]: k15
ben103 [4k\]: this w guy knows how to play a go
bloodninja [?\]: w handled it like an inactive pro
Bruno [2d\]: it's even
vagabundo [2d\]: k14 maybe?
]
;B[ih]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[2]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: ben is active pro
ben103 [4k\]: *ko
racarr [6k\]: bunkrownik: Hmm. just. k13 and g16 nice moves...w made the ko work for w.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: afaik
thekaiser [2d\]: j12 wow
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he reviewed his pro games for us on the trip last year
yakito [1k\]: j14 now?
thekaiser [2d\]: want double hane?
]
;B[je]BL[214.958]C[yakito [1k\]: oh works too
josek [6k\]: i guess black better yose
rsun [3d\]: j14
meuns [1k\]: maybe black is winning
zurk [1d\]: no way
Yoseki [3k\]: there's no komi
eatpasta: he won last game ^^
racarr [6k\]: black has more points t the moment....
rsun [3d\]: when in doubt consult SE
Bunkrownik [2d\]: imo b winning
smartrobot [9d\]: we can count now
dyago [6k\]: q7 now
Weishenme [4d\]: J13
]
;W[rq]WL[60]OW[2]C[vagabundo [2d\]: w added time
smartrobot [9d\]: i think it is an even game, just the setting is wrong
zurk [1d\]: i feel w way ahead^^
]
;B[rr]BL[210.777]C[kukulis4 [3d\]: black still wins the game?
Weishenme [4d\]: time move
kenzomat [8k?\]: yup
S1lv3rD1m3 [2d\]: orly
AlexSeth [15k\]:  yeah
smartrobot [9d\]: first we count b
RobinUpton [?\]: How would white respond to black L8, I wonder
rsun [3d\]: close game
]
;W[ig]WL[201.246]C[kukulis4 [3d\]: H14
]
;B[hf]BL[189.912]C[smartrobot [9d\]: 28 at the bottom, 35 at top
Weishenme [4d\]: s17 
smartrobot [9d\]: 63 in total
Weishenme [4d\]: only move :)
Pichan [1k\]: I counted 54 for b
Bunkrownik [2d\]: o12 so tampting ...
vagabundo [2d\]: o12 i say
SnC [2k\]: b 70
Benzene [?\]: n13 for more
]
;W[hg]WL[140.817]C[Benzene [?\]: o12 lets b fix
RobinUpton [?\]: White c9 is not small
]
;B[gf]BL[185.336]C[thekaiser [2d\]: o12 bigger point now
thekaiser [2d\]: but
Rayuela [1k\]: w rying to make c9 sente?
kimidori [2d\]: L3 works?
thekaiser [2d\]: can introduce it differently maybe
Bunkrownik [2d\]: o12 like critical hit
bobstep [7k\]: yes and c9 almost sente
subzeroII [1d\]: d9 now ?
Lehmbruck [1k\]: who counts w?
thekaiser [2d\]: k14
subzeroII [1d\]: eh c9
fdfdgddf: L6
smartrobot [9d\]: for w, 10 at top left, 26 at botton left 27 at right
]
;W[nh]WL[66.863]C[zurk [1d\]: o12 o12 o12
smartrobot [9d\]: also 63 in total
smartrobot [9d\]: so w is leading now
Lehmbruck [1k\]: wow
KurataSan [17k\]: Very close game
]
;B[nf]BL[151.077]C[kukulis4 [3d\]: complex yose now
wuxin [5d?\]: j7 can capture 4 stones?
Lehmbruck [1k\]: how can u count that accurate?
wizzerd [1d\]: hehe, funny conclusion =p maybe you should mention komi before making that statement xD
kenzomat [8k?\]: uh oh
smartrobot [9d\]: i think b though too simple with m12
rsun [3d\]: you just draw boundaries
zurk [1d\]: E18 S17 L3 enormous yose move
Bunkrownik [2d\]: he finished elemntary school
bwizfoshiz [8k\]: haha
RobinUpton [?\]: Black j2 big 
kukulis4 [3d\]: zurk: you are right
AutoAtari [2k\]: 1, 2, 5
Hashishin [-\]: i cant count what you  count smartbot.. were are 10 points at the top left ? oO i count 8...
MikeGering [?\]: there are three types of people, those who can count and those who cannot
kukulis4 [3d\]: c9 big also
BadPotato [7k\]: m13 
]
;W[oe]WL[60]OW[3]C[zurk [1d\]: can we assume s17 sente ?
rsun [3d\]: w can get b14 or d18 
racarr [6k\]: 8 + one of e18 b13
rsun [3d\]: count as miai
smartrobot [9d\]: i count e18 and b13 as miai
smartrobot [9d\]: right?
Hashishin [-\]: ok  =)
Benzene [?\]: do you know the 2 hardest things in programming?
hadigit [1d\]: very right
Benzene [?\]: off by 1 errors
Warfreak2 [4d\]: actually b13 will be w sente, after c9 sente
Sefirotj [8k\]: lol
]
;B[ng]BL[92.862]C[hhikaru [6k\]: I don't see hy C9 sente ^^'
petition [3k\]: loneliness?
hadigit [1d\]: so locally it's like c9 b13 e18 
]
;W[og]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[mh]BL[89.769]C[smartrobot [9d\]: we cant calculate accurately
ra4ok [6k\]: b j7
Nefeste [4k\]: b can c9.. it changes balance a little )
rsun [3d\]: c9 allows push cut
Warfreak2 [4d\]: gee, benzene, what's the other hardest thing in programming?
Pichan [1k\]: j5
bwizfoshiz [8k\]: c9 sente because black needs to connect at e11
RobinUpton [?\]: Black j7 is crude but maybe fun
Madzilla [3d\]: Benzene - 1) not mixing up = and == 2) putting the ;s in the right place
AutoAtari [2k\]: heh, 2nd time he doesn't get it
rsun [3d\]: j7 loses sente
f10 [-\]: b will win 
smartrobot [9d\]: Hi friends, this is a promotional game for "Experience Go in China 2011", thanks for watching! For further info: http://www.experience-go.com/
smartrobot [9d\]: We'll invite Chen Yaoye 9p, Wang Qun 8p and Yu Ping 6p as our visiting teachers and play with some participants this summer.  Besides, we also invited some famous and active players in Europe today, to teach in our program or come to visit us this summer!  Don't hesitate to join us and you'll get teaching from all the strong players!
]
;W[pm]WL[60]OW[3]C[smartrobot [9d\]: If you're interested, please message our program's organizers, Finnish8d 9d and MilanMilan 9d on KGS, thanks. : )
]
;B[sr]BL[86.223]C[kukulis4 [3d\]: these pros always are slow thinkers
iamsorry [2k\]: l3?
slowcooker [-\]: O.O
Yoseki [3k\]: lol
racarr [6k\]: white plays q7 to prevent q7 becoming sente for b
bwizfoshiz [8k\]: nothing wrong with patience
largehc [2k\]: slow thinkers?
racarr [6k\]: because white would have to defend cut?
doubt [2k?\]: fast thinkers who have a whole lot to think about
Pichan [1k\]: j5 C9 and b13
Nefeste [4k\]: ancient eats 3 more stones..
slowcooker [-\]: b is using more time bro
largehc [2k\]: isn't it that they think a lot more?
veiron [5k\]: J7 
MilanMilan [9d\]: s17?
Yoseki [3k\]: Q7 would be self-atari for B
rsun [3d\]: they are figuring out the correct yose
kukulis4 [3d\]: yeah thinking slow and very much
racarr [6k\]: err
MilanMilan [9d\]: it's huge
rsun [3d\]: yose should be fully deterministic for humans
zurk [1d\]: time added so sweet ^.^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: c9 and b13 sente before s17?
olyv [6k\]: g11
jorgy [2d\]: just O11
Captcavern [3k\]: L6
AetherSoul [3k\]: n11
]
;W[im]WL[171.561]C[TesujiMan [7d\]: c9 also big
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what j7?
sairamle [?\]: C9 and j7 was sort of miai?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i guess so
kukulis4 [3d\]: preparing for C9
yakito [1k\]: o11 
Bunkrownik [2d\]: L11
kukulis4 [3d\]: and B13
ra4ok [6k\]: w f11
kostuek [-\]: they should play without time, if add anyway
jorgy [2d\]: C9 
josek [6k\]: i had thought of that but j7 way bigger
SadPlayer [-\]: o11 
zurk [1d\]: my bet on c9 s17
]
;B[ck]BL[336.348]C[smartrobot [9d\]: with j7, c9 and b13 are w sente
]
;W[lp]WL[154.679]C[mysteries [1k\]: B13?
zurk [1d\]: dammit :)
jorgy [2d\]: W is head
rsun [3d\]: e18 bigger than b13
]
;B[jr]BL[314.867]C[bwizfoshiz [8k\]: b13 lost it's sente potential with c9 gone
]
;W[io]WL[145.631]
;B[ip]BL[312.099]C[olyv [6k\]: l5
MilanMilan [9d\]: s17
kukulis4 [3d\]: N11
]
;W[gi]WL[115.902]C[Orandajinn [-\]: ali b
kukulis4 [3d\]: g11 ???
zurk [1d\]: this w is unpredictable =)
jorgy [2d\]: G11???
mysteries [1k\]: L5f?
olyv [6k\]: predicable
smartrobot [9d\]: time to enjoy their yose skill
rsun [3d\]: e11 followup
Yoseki [3k\]: well this is sente too
Greystone [3k\]: g11 nice
RobinUpton [?\]: Black s17?
AutoAtari [2k\]: yeah I like g11
olyv [6k\]: l3
olyv [6k\]: for w
]
;B[gh]BL[250.168]C[SnC [2k\]: f11
sairamle [?\]: if wthie draws out d11, b13 sente again
yakito [1k\]: g12 ?
kukulis4 [3d\]: can anybody explay purpose of g11 ?
yakito [1k\]: ah
rsun [3d\]: e11 followup
]
;W[hh]WL[101.436]C[AutoAtari [2k\]: I can but I am probably wrong
ben103 [4k\]: managed to fight in yose
jorgy [2d\]: I don't
]
;B[hi]BL[223.902]C[TesujiMan [7d\]: crosscut
TesujiMan [7d\]: yep
hhikaru [6k\]: G11 threaten to sace D11 ?
jorgy [2d\]: not O11
smartrobot [9d\]: nice tesuji
mkeller [7k\]: like :)
smartrobot [9d\]: tesujiMan is good at tesuji =D
rsun [3d\]: tenuki
Aret [2k\]: s17 becomes big for both
AutoAtari [2k\]: hm.. b is making g11 look bad
KurataSan [17k\]: H10
TesujiMan [7d\]: tx robot :)
Koffing [2k\]: why isn't there komi?
Yoseki [3k\]: F12
AlexSeth [15k\]: there is, .5 komi
kukulis4 [3d\]: rigth f12
]
;W[hj]WL[2.421]C[sairamle [?\]: f12 doesn't work
sairamle [?\]: as far as i can see
Pvp [9k\]: hwo big is s17 now
sairamle [?\]: which is not very far, but still
]
;B[gj]BL[198.8]C[olyv [6k\]: f11
kukulis4 [3d\]: s17 > 10 pts
slowcooker [-\]: 10 pts
hhikaru [6k\]: I didn't understand S12 too ^^' 
]
;W[rc]WL[60]OW[3]C[Pvp [9k\]: thanks
Renshuu02 [1d\]: instead of S17 T17 isn't better?
TesujiMan [7d\]: now s17
mistake [2d\]: s17 should be for white
]
;B[rb]BL[195.626]C[Archron [4k\]: ooo snap
Renshuu02 [1d\]: (for black i meant
RobinUpton [?\]: o11 big?
go1d [6d\]: n11 is big too
AetherSoul [3k\]: n11 better
SadPlayer [-\]: e18 
zgwhljs [1d\]: t18
]
;W[lj]WL[60]OW[3]C[Tasky [1d\]: why is g10 better than f11 ?
Yoseki [3k\]: pwned ;0
go1d [6d\]: O_o
Archron [4k\]: what the
TesujiMan [7d\]: o11 p12 n10 n9 t17
AetherSoul [3k\]: o11
kukulis4 [3d\]: Archron: I agree with you, its weird
Jimi [3k\]: (to leinad76, I said "hi", check the game)
Archron [4k\]: certainly this allows b to come crashing through
ben103 [4k\]: mess-click
kukulis4 [3d\]: lol
Bunkrownik [2d\]: instead of t17 could be l5
KurataSan [17k\]: B win
ChiralSym [12k?\]: can black play n10 reasonably?
jorgy [2d\]: W wins
ra4ok [6k\]: b l5
Archron [4k\]: blue wins
slowcooker [-\]: atari ò first?
slowcooker [-\]: o12
smartrobot [9d\]: atari at o11 is better
jorgy [2d\]: not sure M10 is good
rsun [3d\]: schwarz/noir wins
kukulis4 [3d\]: L5 feels good
smartrobot [9d\]: than n10 directy
kukulis4 [3d\]: but no
smartrobot [9d\]: i think e18 is very big
kukulis4 [3d\]: if black L5, then white L4 and L2
]
;B[ni]BL[45.771]
;W[oh]WL[60]OW[3]C[smartrobot [9d\]: but w choose the center
RobinUpton [?\]: I agree with tesuji man's sequence
]
;B[mj]BL[34.847]
;W[li]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[mi]BL[31.557]
;W[eb]WL[60]OW[3]C[ceverian [9k\]: robot =)
Tasky [1d\]: smartrobod, wh is g10 better than f11 ?
Archron [4k\]: ahh
]
;B[fb]BL[27.734]C[AetherSoul [3k\]: what
]
;W[da]WL[60]OW[3]C[kukulis4 [3d\]: weird
wizzerd [1d\]: nice
smartrobot [9d\]: o
TesujiMan [7d\]: hm, m10 seems not so reasonable
sairamle [?\]: strong players' yose too confusing XD
]
;B[sc]BL[1.255]C[Chachi [2k\]: my god this game is close
]
;W[fa]WL[60]OW[3]C[Yoseki [3k\]: strong players would play multi-move tesuji for 0.5 points
kukulis4 [3d\]: ko
ben103 [4k\]: they take turns in awesomatize
zurk [1d\]: no ko
Archron [4k\]: ko bad
kukulis4 [3d\]: lol
zurk [1d\]: it would be too baaad
jorgy [2d\]: G19 is a must
Aret [2k\]: no ko - w better
AutoAtari [2k\]: if b needs the ko to win, he will play it
zurk [1d\]: almost free ko for white^^
smartrobot [9d\]: g19
hkkyeen [8d\]: G19, obviously
zurk [1d\]: mmmm ok :)
kukulis4 [3d\]: hehe
TesujiMan [7d\]: nobody has threats
smartrobot [9d\]: b has
smartrobot [9d\]: h19 =D
rsun [3d\]: j14 is a threat
Pichan [1k\]: g18
TesujiMan [7d\]: yes :)
Archron [4k\]: h5 g6 
largehc [2k\]: w has m3 
BadPotato [7k\]: white had h5 
]
;B[ga]BL[60]OB[2]C[bobstep [7k\]: h5 threat for w
TesujiMan [7d\]: i think b will g19
racarr [6k\]: j14 w is a threat?
smartrobot [9d\]: b has to fight for 2 points
kukulis4 [3d\]: m3 bad
largehc [2k\]: l3 then
TesujiMan [7d\]: those 2pts can decide the game
Archron [4k\]: what if w just connects :\]
olyv [6k\]: g18
Pichan [1k\]: w has threats
zurk [1d\]: or tenuki^^
jorgy [2d\]: just E19
Bunkrownik [2d\]: w will connect probably
largehc [2k\]: b has local ones
Aret [2k\]: w connects- b defends, w t15 
Nefeste [4k\]: just t15 bad )
]
;W[gb]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ea]BL[60]OB[2]C[Archron [4k\]: oo 
smartrobot [9d\]: omg
]
;W[kq]WL[60]OW[3]C[josek [6k\]: o.O
Dmith [8k\]: why ko?
jorgy [2d\]: no
TesujiMan [7d\]: l3 big 2 threats
wizzerd [1d\]: the 3p has spoken
]
;B[kr]BL[60]OB[2]C[AlexSeth [15k\]: what the
kukulis4 [3d\]: "probably" doesnt work ;)
]
;W[fa]WL[60]OW[3]C[rsun [3d\]: b extends all the way
]
;B[ha]BL[60]OB[2]C[Pichan [1k\]: h19
Archron [4k\]: lawl
ChiralSym [12k?\]: lol
jorgy [2d\]: W is ahead a lot, the ko is not necessary
Chachi [2k\]: white can connect any time
TesujiMan [7d\]: they always play before i finish wirting :D too fast reading :)
go1d [6d\]: e19 
Renshuu02 [1d\]: all the way?
Renshuu02 [1d\]: what if
sairamle [?\]: By all the way, rsun means like once more before white nets
Renshuu02 [1d\]: H18
go1d [6d\]: he just wants more ko threats
Renshuu02 [1d\]: then K19
Dmith [8k\]: e19 h18 t15 ?
go1d [6d\]: he won't continue i think
talm95 [3d\]: e19
rsun [3d\]: yes, thanks for clarifying
]
;W[hb]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ea]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lq]WL[60]OW[3]C[AetherSoul [3k\]: black can run foreverrr
Archron [4k\]: hehe
]
;B[lr]BL[60]OB[2]C[Archron [4k\]: no he cant
]
;W[fa]WL[60]OW[3]C[Pichan [1k\]: geta
Archron [4k\]: net at k18 next
]
;B[ia]BL[60]OB[2]C[zurk [1d\]: k18
rsun [3d\]: b can always escape
smartrobot [9d\]: w can play at k18
slowcooker [-\]: w wants dividend
zurk [1d\]: or connectpp
cekalo [4k\]: intresting ko
go1d [6d\]: it's just a question of aji
smartrobot [9d\]: Hi friends, this is a promotional game for "Experience Go in China 2011", thanks for watching! For further info: http://www.experience-go.com/
talm95 [3d\]: but b doesnt have big threats
smartrobot [9d\]: This year we'll have Fang Tianfeng 8p as our chief instructor, coatching with Peter liu 2p (MilanMIlan 9d),  Ben Hu 3p (lsai 9d), Jack Jin 2p (smartrobot 9d), Su Yang (Finnish8d 9d and JeffChang 9d), Zhao Xin (AncientGo 9d),  and some other professional teachers and high dan amateur teachers. Join us in the summer,  we're sure you'll get good improvement during the study with us!
wuxin [5d?\]: N15 big enough?
smartrobot [9d\]: If you're interested, please message our program's organizers, Finnish8d 9d and MilanMilan 9d on KGS, thanks. : )
AutoAtari [2k\]: ddk should know about k18
]
;W[ea]WL[60]OW[3]C[Archron [4k\]: aww
]
;B[ib]BL[60]OB[2]C[go1d [6d\]: i told you :D
jorgy [2d\]: hehe
]
;W[se]WL[60]OW[3]C[Welvang [6d\]: mdr
jorgy [2d\]: not a real ko
BadPotato [7k\]: bleh
Pichan [1k\]: ouh !
HP999MP99 [5k\]: w teasing b
Pichan [1k\]: reimburse !
zurk [1d\]: no balls^^
Tasky [1d\]: more "let's waste two ko-threats"-ko
wizzerd [1d\]: w is creating ko threats by playing the ko! :D
Chachi [2k\]: i fear white is ahead now
ljugapa [4d\]: i fear nothing
Lehmbruck [1k\]: its .5 komi
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w did not waste two ko threats
Tasky [1d\]: right
olyv [6k\]: l5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he played two sente endgames and created two ko threats
TesujiMan [7d\]: f11 seems biggest
Tasky [1d\]: he gained 2 on top
kukulis4 [3d\]: well l2 and M2 ko threats converted to J17 K18
]
;B[oj]BL[60]OB[2]C[SnC [2k\]: who is leading now
]
;W[pj]WL[60]OW[3]C[jorgy [2d\]: W
ra4ok [6k\]: b l5
MilanMilan [9d\]: b, as a no komi game
rsun [3d\]: w+5
Dmith [8k\]: what about b13 ?
smartrobot [9d\]: what about even game?
SnC [2k\]: this is no komi game
ben103 [4k\]: n9
pyramids [1d\]: f11 feels timely
woodyy [-\]: b win...
bfm [-\]: no komi ? I'm sure black will win ;)
Chachi [2k\]: f11
jzp2008 [2k\]: why not F11?
Akir [3k\]: m5
]
;B[oi]BL[60]OB[2]C[slowcooker [-\]: ~2.5
largehc [2k\]: h2 already
]
;W[pi]WL[60]OW[3]C[AetherSoul [3k\]: hard to say "what if komi game", maybe the players play based on the fact that the komi is (or isn't) how it is set
kukulis4 [3d\]: b13
olyv [6k\]: l5n9
RobinUpton [?\]: n4?
smartrobot [9d\]: i think both player regard this game as even game
Lehmbruck [1k\]: hi max ^^
ChiralSym [12k?\]: I'm wondering about n4
]
;B[mk]BL[60]OB[2]C[mistake [2d\]: h2 not so small
ChillStar [3d\]: black is leading
Chachi [2k\]: F11 is huge isnt it?
HP999MP99 [5k\]: w moyo in pain
jzp2008 [2k\]: b13
]
;W[bg]WL[60]OW[3]C[dghi: m8
giug: h2
ben103 [4k\]: f11
olyv [6k\]: l5
zurk [1d\]: white center gonna be reduced to 3 pts
olyv [6k\]: m9
]
;B[hr]BL[60]OB[2]C[minuteman: they use 1 minute byo-yomi, we use 10 seconds
wizzerd [1d\]: 717 observers ^^
gojevec [2d\]: w got s17, e18, b13... amazing!"
jorgy [2d\]: without komi, it's quite close
bfm [-\]: f11 isn't bigger than h2 ?
]
;W[bk]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[dj]BL[60]OB[2]C[HP999MP99 [5k\]: maybe f11 is gote
zurk [1d\]: m13
veiron [5k\]: m8
MOBETOH [2k\]: f11
Dmith [8k\]: j11 
]
;W[fi]WL[60]OW[2]C[Renshuu02 [1d\]: m13 looks like a ko threat
hhikaru [6k\]: K14 ?
AutoAtari [2k\]: m8 and l5 kinda miai
]
;B[ei]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ii]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fh]BL[60]OB[2]C[wizzerd [1d\]: m15!
MilanMilan [9d\]: F12?
]
;W[lk]WL[60]OW[2]C[bwizfoshiz [8k\]: n15 effective for white?
jorgy [2d\]: no
Pichan [1k\]: l5
niteria [9k?\]: e1 works?
niteria [9k?\]: for b
olyv [6k\]: n4
Math [6k\]: L5?
jorgy [2d\]: M9 ???
AetherSoul [3k\]: yes niteria
veiron [5k\]: good 
olyv [6k\]: n8
veiron [5k\]: m9 good
]
;B[fr]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[gr]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[gs]BL[60]OB[2]C[aap [11k\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQ-dV2X3D8
Scarsick [1d\]: m5 
]
;W[ke]WL[60]OW[2]C[jzp2008 [2k\]: very close game
AetherSoul [3k\]: k14?
padrag [1k?\]: h5 and g6 good forcing moves fo w
kukulis4 [3d\]: black K14
Warfreak2 [4d\]: lovely
Bruno [2d\]: N 8 big
Warfreak2 [4d\]: k14 fails
Warfreak2 [4d\]: k14 l14 l13 j17 
bfm [-\]: white seems stronger than black at yose :p
]
;B[if]BL[60]OB[2]C[RobinUpton [?\]: m5 is like m6
]
;W[jf]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ie]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[le]WL[60]OW[2]C[AetherSoul [3k\]: that was big
]
;B[me]BL[60]OB[2]C[Bruno [2d\]: M 13?
kukulis4 [3d\]: well M13
]
;W[kf]WL[60]OW[2]C[SadPlayer [-\]: l5 
ben103 [4k\]: n8 :P
jzp2008 [2k\]: k5
Math [6k\]: Why not L5?
hhikaru [6k\]: why M15 and not N15 ?
checkmi [3k\]: m7 
smartrobot [9d\]: Hi friends, this is a promotional game for "Experience Go in China 2011", thanks for watching! For further info: http://www.experience-go.com/
woodyy [-\]: m5 
Scarsick [1d\]: m5 n4 m7 n8 l5 
smartrobot [9d\]: We'll invite Chen Yaoye 9p, Wang Qun 8p and Yu Ping 6p as our visiting teachers and play with some participants this summer.  Besides, we also invited some famous and active players in Europe today, to teach in our program or come to visit us this summer!  Don't hesitate to join us and you'll get teaching from all the strong players! 
ra4ok [6k\]: b n8 or l5
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;B[ec]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[dc]WL[60]OW[2]C[smartrobot [9d\]: If you're interested, please message our program's organizers, Finnish8d 9d and MilanMilan 9d on KGS, thanks. : )
]
;B[hi]BL[60]OB[2]C[jorgy [2d\]: W is losing
james012 [7k\]: m7 work for b?
sairamle [?\]: T18 seems useful sometime
SadPlayer [-\]: Reklamy nawet na KGS. Do czego to doszło?
Benzene [?\]: j17 j16 ?
Dmith [8k\]: n8 ?
veiron [5k\]: N8
sairamle [?\]: But too soon now
jzp2008 [2k\]: close game
dyago [6k\]: n8
smartrobot [9d\]: too close
]
;W[ml]WL[60]OW[2]C[suiram [3k\]: l5
]
;B[ko]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[kn]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[lo]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[mp]WL[60]OW[2]C[suiram [3k\]: :)
RobinUpton [?\]: t18= white's privilege 
Onmyoji [4d?\]: hi
Bruno [2d\]: white winning
mkeller [7k\]: nice couting exercise for lew-level kyus :)
mkeller [7k\]: counting*
hume [4k\]: 700+ watchers?? :-0000
]
;B[ln]BL[60]OB[2]C[Onmyoji [4d?\]: i count b+3.5
]
;W[jo]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[kp]BL[60]OB[2]C[ben103 [4k\]: if 1% go to china they are happy
]
;W[ld]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[lc]BL[60]OB[2]C[c14WdI73 [22k\]: hi
]
;W[lm]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[kh]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lg]WL[60]OW[2]C[jorgy [2d\]: ok, W won
]
;B[mg]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ki]WL[60]OW[2]C[AutoAtari [2k\]: thanks O, was waiting for that
jorgy [2d\]: anyway
jon6660 [-\]: only 7 ?
Bruno [2d\]: if 700 go to china they are angry 
Akir [3k\]: e1
jzp2008 [2k\]: C13
hkkyeen [8d\]: t18..
thekaiser [2d\]: w60 b65
Pichan [1k\]: t18
gfdhff [-\]: hehe
thekaiser [2d\]: b+4.5 i say
]
;B[sb]BL[60]OB[2]C[michaelk [1k\]: oh, they played another game before...
HP999MP99 [5k\]: t18 uf
thekaiser [2d\]: o9...
Pichan [1k\]: why did w not play t 18 ?
jorgy [2d\]: W+1.5
]
;W[cg]WL[60]OW[2]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: because it wasn't sente
smartrobot [9d\]: b has 28.5 at bottom, 45 at top
kukulis4 [3d\]: yup
niteria [9k?\]: d1 for b?
]
;B[bh]BL[60]OB[2]C[mistake [2d\]: g11 is hard to count
miiiilli: d1 doesn't work
]
;W[gi]WL[60]OW[2]C[niteria [9k?\]: why?
GarouDan [6k\]: e14 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g11 relatively easy to count
smartrobot [9d\]: w has 16 at top left, 19 at bottom left 36 at right
mistake [2d\]: a bit less than 2pts ?
Eddy [2k\]: d1 e1 =x
james012 [7k\]: d1 e1 
wizzerd [1d\]: o9
thouleag: f5
ra4ok [6k\]: d15
smartrobot [9d\]: so b has 73.5 in total, w has 71 in total
thekaiser [2d\]: d13
wizzerd [1d\]: t16?
MilanMilan [9d\]: W+0.5-1.5 I guess?
niteria [9k?\]: eh, sorry that was stupid ;D
Dmith [8k\]: i count w+5.5?
]
;B[dg]BL[60]OB[2]C[cekalo [4k\]: d13
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b fills, b has two points. if w captures, w has one point and b has 2/3. so the value is 7/6
wizzerd [1d\]: hard
cloudo [3k\]: 28,5 points at bottom for b?
]
;W[ho]WL[60]OW[2]C[bobstep [7k\]: g5
kukulis4 [3d\]: b+0.5
minuteman: u mean b+ milan?
jorgy [2d\]: smartobot made a wrong count
drau [?\]: b has 2 captures more
ben103 [4k\]: w won in yose?
]
;B[gp]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[gn]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fo]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[fq]WL[60]OW[2]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: w
guiguistar [2d\]: where is b hafl point?
sgpark5475 [8d\]: w
smartrobot [9d\]: j2
smartrobot [9d\]: half point
]
;B[il]BL[60]OB[2]C[kukulis4 [3d\]: half ...
]
;W[er]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fs]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[hs]BL[60]OB[2]C[kukulis4 [3d\]: confuzing ..
olyv [6k\]: how to have half point?
most: actually what kind of move is t18? why was it important for black? PLS PLS
iceblink [2k\]: o9
guiguistar [2d\]: 2 moves for one point i guess
Pichan [1k\]: s7
AlexSeth [15k\]: half point?
]
;W[gg]WL[60]OW[2]C[Eddy [2k\]: 1p gote for each lol
]
;B[fg]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ee]WL[60]OW[2]C[hhikaru [6k\]: olyv, komi 0.5 ...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: most, w can throw in t18 for extra points
mistake [2d\]: gote point is half point
Renshuu02 [1d\]: just because there is 1 chance on 2 to have it
]
;B[ef]BL[60]OB[2]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: so t18 prevents that throw in and has a one point sente followup
]
;W[fi]WL[60]OW[2]C[AlexSeth [15k\]: ah
smartrobot [9d\]: if w plays k3, no point for j2, if b plays k3, 1 point, so we consider j2 as half point
hhikaru [6k\]: O 9 ?
suiram [3k\]: o9 2 points
cloudo [3k\]: is n7 also a half point?
godream [2d\]: k8
jzp2008 [2k\]: N9
kukulis4 [3d\]: T16
GOCU [8k\]: n
ben103 [4k\]: guigui, the let a stone fall
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes, n7 half a point, so k3 and n6 are miai
smartrobot [9d\]: cloudo, yes
ben103 [4k\]: *they
mistake [2d\]: can black play t7?
cloudo [3k\]: allright
jzp2008 [2k\]: T7
eatramen [8k\]: half point?
veiron [5k\]: T16 bettet then F11
ben103 [4k\]: Milan², w won in yose?
eatramen [8k\]: what is that?
]
;B[ag]BL[60]OB[2]C[Noahid [-\]: it was fighting, but so close...
]
;W[af]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ah]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[aj]WL[60]OW[2]C[Renshuu02 [1d\]: K8
Akir [3k\]: o9
kukulis4 [3d\]: a10 2 points or 1 ?
jorgy [2d\]: K8
Bruno [2d\]: black with sente
iamsorry [2k\]: t16
jorgy [2d\]: then O9
]
;B[jl]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[kl]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[sd]BL[60]OB[2]C[jzp2008 [2k\]: T7 for B
Dmith [8k\]: t16 o9 
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;W[re]WL[60]OW[2]C[SadPlayer [-\]: t7 :>
niteria [9k?\]: n6?
Renshuu02 [1d\]: isn't T7 better than O9?
Pichan [1k\]: t7
meuns [1k\]: great game
Eddy [2k\]: o9
]
;B[nk]BL[60]OB[2]C[vagabundo [2d\]: B won it seems
]
;W[sm]WL[60]OW[2]C[MOBETOH [2k\]: w+0,5?
ChiralSym [12k?\]: n6?
mkeller [7k\]: n6
GarouDan [6k\]: 6
]
;B[jq]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[mn]WL[60]OW[2]C[Dmith [8k\]: w won?
crazytony [5k\]: needs a ko.
jzp2008 [2k\]: b lose 1 point
]
;B[ai]BL[60]OB[2]C[zurk [1d\]: mmm chinese rule^^
meuns [1k\]: chinese rules
crazytony [5k\]: b needs a ko
]
;W[ak]WL[60]OW[2]C[meuns [1k\]: learn to count
ben103 [4k\]: i thought no komi mean komi=0.0
smartrobot [9d\]: Hi friends, this is a promotional game for "Experience Go in China 2011", thanks for watching! For further info: http://www.experience-go.com/
]
;B[eo]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ik]WL[60]OW[2]C[smartrobot [9d\]: This year we'll have Fang Tianfeng 8p as our chief instructor, coatching with Peter liu 2p (MilanMIlan 9d),  Ben Hu 3p (lsai 9d), Jack Jin 2p (smartrobot 9d), Su Yang (Finnish8d 9d and JeffChang 9d), Zhao Xin (AncientGo 9d),  and some other professional teachers and high dan amateur teachers. Join us in the summer,  we're sure you'll get good improvement during the study with us!
TIAN [1d\]: good game
]
;B[de]BL[60]OB[2]C[smartrobot [9d\]: If you're interested, please message our program's organizers, Finnish8d 9d and MilanMilan 9d on KGS, thanks. : )
]
;W[ed]WL[60]OW[2]C[AutoAtari [2k\]: ahh chinese rules
]
;B[kg]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lf]WL[60]OW[2]C[kukulis4 [3d\]: chinesse
]
;B[fj]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[hi]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[mo]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ep]WL[60]OW[2]C[niteria [9k?\]: was k3 necessary?
drau [?\]: lol count again
AutoAtari [2k\]: se is pretty much useless then
]
;B[sn]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ne]WL[60]OW[2]C[attraction [2k\]: isnt there this estimate points function anymore?
Onmyoji [4d?\]: i count w+1.5
AlexSeth [15k\]: whats the difference in chinese rules?
zflyhorse [1k\]: w+ 2
most: i think they are manipulating the result. b should have to win easily
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;B[]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[]WL[60]OW[2]TW[aa][ba][ca][ab][bb][db][ac][bc][ad][bd][cd][ae][pe][bf][pf][sf][pg][qg][rg][sg][ih][ph][qh][rh][sh][ji][qi][ri][si][jj][kj][qj][rj][sj][kk][sk][al][ll][ol][pl][rl][bm][km][mm][om][an][hn][in][jn][bo][ap][cp][aq][dq][ar][br][cr][as][bs][cs][ds]TB[ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][gb][hb][jb][kb][lb][mb][nb][ob][pb][qb][gc][hc][ic][jc][mc][gd][hd][id][jd][ge][he][ff][eg][ci][di][cj][nj][dk][po][pp][qp][rp][qq][rq][sq][ir][mr][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[miiiilli: k3 was one point
hume [4k\]: hey smartrobot, do you sell also popcorn?
Dmith [8k\]: whats the diff between chineese rules and japanese?
miiiilli: otherwise black would need to connect at j2
meuns [1k\]: ohohoh
ihatelag [6k\]: ZOMG!!!
hume [4k\]: wow
TesujiMan [7d\]: nice
HP999MP99 [5k\]: yay
mkeller [7k\]: wow
slowcooker [-\]: wow
ChiralSym [12k?\]: wow
ihatelag [6k\]: GOOD GAME
cloudo [3k\]: wow
Math [6k\]: Nice.
eatramen [8k\]: NICE
crazytony [5k\]: nice
meuns [1k\]: very nice game
TesujiMan [7d\]: very nice
AlexSeth [15k\]: amazing game
smartrobot [9d\]: good game
wizzerd [1d\]: nice!
ceverian [9k\]: wow amazing game thank you
kukulis4 [3d\]: I told you b+0.5
Benhu [3p\]: thx
Orandajinn [-\]: yay steve
Integral [-\]: O_O
Jamsus [-\]: what the hell!
AncientGo [9d\]: thx
SaturnYear [4k\]: GG
MilanMilan [9d\]: Thx
hepteract [14k\]: crazy
sgpark5475 [8d\]: gg
Fooxy [6k\]: Very nice ! 
KurataSan [17k\]: cooooooool
usoop94vlt [11k\]: O_O
wizzerd [1d\]: flood XD
paulhunt [10k\]: brille entertainment
KurataSan [17k\]: crazyyy!!
jorgy [2d\]: why?
eatramen [8k\]: go go ancient go!
ljugapa [4d\]: very nicely
GarouDan [6k\]: thaks
nocash [1d\]: thx
jzp2008 [2k\]: how? 
SadPlayer [-\]: e tam umówili się na taki wynik
niteria [9k?\]: ah, thanks miiiiiilli
ihatelag [6k\]: but no kumi
smartrobot [9d\]: why there's difference?
niteria [9k?\]: gg
Welvang [6d\]: ...?
jon6660 [-\]: baa
Benhu [3p\]: no komi..
zurk [1d\]: niiiice
josek [6k\]: i think b managed to win by .5 to general amusement
KurataSan [17k\]: wow
ben103 [4k\]: weba
KurataSan [17k\]: benhu
smartrobot [9d\]: se told w win 2.5 points
MilanMilan [9d\]: what about w take o9?
ben103 [4k\]: bimbou
ra4ok [6k\]: супер филигранка
KurataSan [17k\]: your playing well!
Welvang [6d\]: désolé mais si on met pas de komi faut assumer
TesujiMan [7d\]: If japanese, Ben wins.
wizzerd [1d\]: se japanese scoring
smartrobot [9d\]: why..
Eddy [2k\]: se is japanese rules
smartrobot [9d\]: i cant understander
Sandmann [5d\]: pros use se!
Nefeste [4k\]: komi 0.5//
zife [3d?\]: smartrobot, SE can't count when it's chinese rules
kukulis4 [3d\]: well last move was white's so should be no difference from japanesse theorethicaly
ihatelag [6k\]: je said, Benhu n'ai pas komi
AutoAtari [2k\]: not even that, se is just completely wrong for chinese rules
ihatelag [6k\]: *sais
wizzerd [1d\]: yeah, pro's use SE, lol
CHULIAN [4d\]: ancientGo whats yor rank in real life?
joejoe [4k\]: SE should be modified to follow the scoring rule
TesujiMan [7d\]: Sometimes it can be even 5 points difference
Pichan [1k\]: what couting rules ?
CHULIAN [4d\]: r u a pro?
Bunkrownik [2d\]: whats the difference between chinese and japanese?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: f11 is worth 2/3, o9 and t16 worth 1 each
AlexSeth [15k\]: whats difference in chinese rules to japanese?
zife [3d?\]: sometimes SE is completely wrong with chinese rules
ihatelag [6k\]: JE PEUX PARLER FRANCAIS!!!
zife [3d?\]: for no reason
Pichan [1k\]: counting rules
ihatelag [6k\]: :)
killer2 [4d\]: lol
killer2 [4d\]: gg
Thorvald [4k\]: oui tu peux, mais pas en criant
MilanMilan [9d\]: anyway, a good game
jorgy [2d\]: Hard to believe
Bruno [2d\]: pas parle en francais
ben103 [4k\]: AncientGO [12d\]: I'm 14d, thanks
bolb [-\]: ihatelag : oui, mais ne croe pas s'il te plaît
bolb [-\]: crie*
thorongil [3k\]: smartrobot, se fails when area scoring is being used. it "should" just count the same way it does for japanese rules, but it tries to do something different and fails
smartrobot [9d\]: i doubt if my count is too inaccurate
MilanMilan [9d\]: :)
rats [2d?\]: without having watched the whole yose, i can see w never threw in at t18
smartrobot [9d\]: i see
smartrobot [9d\]: thanks
ihatelag [6k\]: mais je ne peux pas parler bien
ihatelag [6k\]: :(
Thorvald [4k\]: pourquoi ?
Pichan [1k\]: was it Chinese rules ?
smartrobot [9d\]: quite strange se...
paulhunt [10k\]: I hate le go
joejoe [4k\]: thanks smart, milan, benhu & ancient for the games ^^
Bruno [2d\]: Benhu...
KoReNJe [3d\]: poor w
paulhunt [10k\]: la
MilanMilan [9d\]: it's a little strange, but it's enjoyable^^
smartrobot [9d\]: thanks for watching
Bruno [2d\]: why don't you give him AncientGo a pro title?
thorongil [3k\]: ty
KoReNJe [3d\]: that's what you get for playing komiless game
ben103 [4k\]: guys, this go counting is a very very hard problem for computers, probably NP-complete
ihatelag [6k\]: parce que je prends la classe de francais seulement
AutoAtari [2k\]: good job b, but still not an even game win
Pichan [1k\]: why would Ben have won under Japanese rules ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w got last dame
petition [3k\]: se < smartrobo
MilanMilan [9d\]: you're welcome
thorongil [3k\]: pichan, he wouldn't have
Onmyoji [4d?\]: wouldnt
rsun [3d\]: SE is wrong
ihatelag [6k\]: au revoir
petition [3k\]: thanks everyone!
Pichan [1k\]: thanks 
rsun [3d\]: just count the points
Benhu [3p\]: thanks for watching^^
Integral [-\]: review?
ben103 [4k\]: now buy your china tickets folks!!
Pichan [1k\]: Thanks Benhu
ben103 [4k\]: Id love to, but no money
Finnish8d [-\]: it's pretty late now in China
Finnish8d [-\]: so I guess they wanna go to sleep :P
Bruno [2d\]: Thanks Benhu!
AutoAtari [2k\]: nah, it's only 2:43
Benhu [3p\]: ^^
Bruno [2d\]: Thanks all....nice Go session
michaelk [1k\]: Thanks for the game
rsun [3d\]: it's 2:43 from Tibet to Beijing
Pichan [1k\]: Why did Benhu not continue the huge ko at the top ?
kostuek [-\]: se just "forget"  in chinese about prisoners maybe
smartrobot [9d\]: no more ko threats i think =)
rsun [3d\]: se doesn't work in non-area counting
zife [3d?\]: there are no prisoners in chinese rules so that's not it
topkoul [5k\]: in KGS 9d = 3d?
Pichan [1k\]: with k 18
MilanMilan [9d\]: caz it's need dozens of kothreats
rsun [3d\]: 9d != 3d
eatramen [8k\]: kgs 9d pwn all
topkoul [5k\]: 3p*
Benhu [3p\]: see you ^^
MilanMilan [9d\]: see ya
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i think if w plays o9 instead of f11, b still wins by half a point, but because he has one more ko threat
Integral [-\]: cya
smartrobot [9d\]: see you
Bruno [2d\]: ciao Benhu
Bruno [2d\]: ty fellows
kostuek [-\]: yes, so se just doesnt counts them, but still counts japanase
ben103 [4k\]: >>>> a 9d rengo would be interesting now
Koffing [2k\]: ancient is the best go
eatramen [8k\]: yes for promotional game do rengo, milan and benhu vs ancient and jackjin
eatramen [8k\]: not a big fan of rengo but i think that would be exciting
dfyz [2k\]: when we will see Benhu- Milan?
jorgy [2d\]: I did a count again
jorgy [2d\]: W won
jorgy [2d\]: very strange
eatramen [8k\]: you know it's chinese rules
eatramen [8k\]: right
MilanMilan [9d\]: :)
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